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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:09:01 PM

So, in response to the insistence that people are infinitely stubborn, you have decided to be infinitely stubborn?

Well, fair enough.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#27: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:10:04 PM

It is merely that I don't exactly want to debate things needlessly. That discussion could go on for ages and accomplish nothing.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:10:24 PM by burnpsy

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:10:48 PM

Laaaaaame :P

But fair enough.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#29: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:13:02 PM

On second thought, however, I do agree with your stance of anime being good advertisements.

I'd just prefer if they were all done right, so the amount of people put off due to the inaccuracies and only the inaccuracies would amount to 0%.

djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
Secret Character
#30: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:16:31 PM

OK back to topic: When an anime is going beyond the manga part even if the manga comes first and goes for an anime original end, it's because of either Executive Meddling or the author gave his OK. There's an episode in Ore Imo that describes this.

...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#31: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:17:10 PM

Eh, the practicalities of anime is that most series can only get 12 episodes (partially due to what has been described as a collapsing market). This means that either a series needs to have no ending at all (and say "HEY GUYS GO READ THE MANGA!") or have some kind of Gainax Ending or Gecko Ending or whatever. So, unless you want the anime to, judged on its own merit, to basically fail as a work, it necessarily has to be changed.

FMA did it right: it didn't keep up the illusion of being true to the manga, it split very early and basically became its own work. But that takes a lot of time, a lot of energy, and knowledge of where you're going to split from the get go. A lot of series basically try and wrap everything up in the last two episodes which tends not to turn out that well. It weakens the product (in this case, the anime) as a whole.

[up] Well yeah. But at least in the case of ending earlier, the Executives are actually right for once. You can't have every anime adaptation run for 500 episodes and follow the manga to a tee.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:18:12 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#32: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:20:26 PM

Every series should just handle it like FMA did.

Decide on a place to split off and go in a different direction at that point, then make a more accurate one later if the series is really popular.

FMA's anime was actually rather popular from that, despite the split, so I'd call it an example of it being done well. Sadly, most anime mess up at that.

EDIT: And I see we both agree on that point. evil grin

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:21:49 PM by burnpsy

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#33: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:21:27 PM

I do think that would be the best, both artistically and financially. You can simultaneously use the anime as a marketing platform and stay true to the artists vision. It's ironic that by being further away from the original, you are actually in effect closer.

djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
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#34: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:21:51 PM

[up][up]FMA Or Zero No Tsukaima.....

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:22:03 PM by djmaca

...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
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#36: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:26:47 PM

They just stopped where the Light Novel stops, waits for some few months, animates then stops on the recent Arc's end. Rinse. Repeat. The last season is coming along with the last volume.

.... And our hen-pecked hero's still a virgin.... sigh...

...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#37: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:29:33 PM

That, in my mind, is the absolute ideal.

But sadly not feasible for a lot of series.

I wish more series did that, though.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:30:13 PM by burnpsy

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#38: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:47:11 PM

Sadly Zn T's anime still suffered from adaptation decay, increasingly so in the second and third seasons. Thankfully the changes aren't major story wise.

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djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
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#39: Aug 23rd 2011 at 4:33:45 AM

[up]Yup... that's the only thing bugging me....

Other than that it went smoothly...

...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
YamiiDenryuu Since: Jan, 2010
#40: Aug 23rd 2011 at 9:43:59 AM

I'd also say Ouran High School Host Club and Rozen Maiden are series where the anime changed the plot to their own thing while keeping the spirit (I guess that's the word for it) of the original. It also really bugs me when fans talk about the "accuracy" of an adaption like it's the only thing that matters to the quality. :P

djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
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#41: Aug 23rd 2011 at 5:46:20 PM

[up]Not to mention that Rozen Maiden had a retcon... sheesh!

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Sporkaganza I'm glasses. Since: May, 2009
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#42: Aug 23rd 2011 at 6:27:13 PM

Personally, if I want to read the manga after I've watched the anime, I start from the beginning.

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Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
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#43: Aug 24th 2011 at 7:02:38 AM

I honestly don't see why we would need a whole new website for this sort of information. Just encourage people to make a note of where the anime/manga split and whether or not there are significant differences at the bottom of the series description. If the differences are small, just give the important details. If they are large, just recommend starting over.

(I was about to suggest putting it a the bottom of the "Media" section of the associated The Other Wiki page, but then realized you would usually not be able to provide a source for the information.)

edited 24th Aug '11 7:03:09 AM by Belian

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#44: Aug 24th 2011 at 7:07:45 AM

I can see an Analysis page of actual objective changes made to said series compared to its source. (Leave the YMMV out if it)

But another website no.

Hell look at the Negima Adaptation Dye-Job page Mahou Sensei Negima yeah its so big that we had to give it its own page with charts... (still missing a few eye colors here and there though.)

edited 24th Aug '11 7:11:02 AM by Raso

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Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#45: Aug 24th 2011 at 7:49:54 AM

Well, I included the YMMV part (whether the differences are small or large) because the cases where the answer is "large" would require a LOT more work to detail the differences. And I should specify that I am talking about the changes up to the point where the manga and anime split. No point in listing the changes after that.

I do like the idea of an Analysis page. Hm... details like the number of One Piece sales (currently on its main page) could go there too while the trivia page could just be the trivia about the manga itself.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#46: Aug 24th 2011 at 8:41:22 AM

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that TV Tropes create this. I was just thinking of a website devoted to this cause in general. A single service site, if you will.

Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#47: Aug 24th 2011 at 11:58:12 AM

I agree that a dedicated site would be usefull, but the advatage to using a wiki is that multiple people can add information to it. That's why I think just adding that information to TV Tropes would be more productive than setting up a new site.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48: Aug 24th 2011 at 11:59:54 AM

Works. I wasn't even trying to say "Hay guyz, lets start a site!" so much as "wouldn't it be cool if-"

YamiiDenryuu Since: Jan, 2010
#49: Aug 24th 2011 at 3:09:11 PM

Using the Analysis page to sum up objective anime and manga differences sounds good to me.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#50: Aug 24th 2011 at 3:17:29 PM

And now that the idea has been mentioned, I'm now honestly wondering why we hadn't been doing that already.


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