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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:03:10 PM

Maybe this already exists. But it seems like, whenever I watch an anime that's based on a manga but is only 12 eps long, it's like "Okay cool. Now to read the manga." But BAM! The first X percentage of the manga is identical to the anime, and WHOOSH I can't stand reruns.

So what I'm thinking is that there seriously needs to be a site that can really compile the distinctions of where and when the anime breaks from the manga, so that people can be all like "Okay, this site recommends I start reading the manga starting at chapter 2000091"

DISCUSS!

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#2: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:08:38 PM

Just don't watch the anime in the first place and go directly to the manga. Problem solved.

Also, I'm pretty sure I saw a site that lists that data before...

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:09:29 PM by burnpsy

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#3: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:09:17 PM

^^ That would certainly make the transition between anime and manga quicker/easier.

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:09:41 PM by Spirit

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#4: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:09:18 PM

Manga is too much of a mental investment. It's harder to determine what I'm interested in. The anime is good for drawing people in!

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#5: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:10:59 PM

mangaupdates.com seems to state exactly where most anime stop in relation to the manga.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#6: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:13:24 PM

Nice idea. There is something similar already on manga updates. In the manga info pages there is a field for "Anime Start/End Chapter". Here the Negima! info page for one example.

While it is a nice guideline it is, of course, far from perfect. Using Negima as an example, the page fail to explain the anime actually skipped quite a few of important things (like important character introductions). A site dedicated to explain the key differences (or lack of) between manga and their anime adaptation would be awesome. It is kinda too much work to be done easily, however.

Heh, ninja'd.

PS:[up]Perfectly is pushing a bit. There is several problem with their information. Useful as guideline, but you shouldn't base yourself completely on them.

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:15:01 PM by Heatth

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#7: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:14:06 PM

I know I, for one, would never put that kind of effort into a website :P

Risu Tempting Fate Since: Aug, 2011
#8: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:14:25 PM

I completely agree. I finished Kaichou Wa Maidsama a while ago and really wanted to start the manga where I left off. I couldn't stand trying to find where the ending was and just gave up.

I'll only read the manga if I'm too impatient to wait for the anime, except in the case of Death Note (for some reason).

Thank you guys for the links. I'll definitely check out the manga updates.

LORd Too Good For You Since: Aug, 2012
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#9: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:14:43 PM

Mangaupdates lists anime start/end chapters for some series; I'm not sure whether all registered users or just administrators can update them, or if they have a policy for dealing with anime adaptations that are all over the place. goddamn ninjas.

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:15:16 PM by LORd

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burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#10: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:16:35 PM

[up]x4: True.

But, really, there's no person who would be willing to handle such a huge undertaking for no good reason. The simple solution is exactly what I said at the beginning - skip the anime.

The anime for a lot of series tend to be significantly worse anyways.

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:16:45 PM by burnpsy

silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:17:35 PM

[up]True, although the Bleach anime has better pacing than the manga.

Currently taking a break from the site. See my user page for more information.
burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#12: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:23:36 PM

Yeah, there are a few gems here and there, but then you reach stuff like Negima, which has an off-putting anime, Hayate The Combat Butler, which made huge plot holes due to the filler-fest that was season 1, and The World God Only Knows and the pacing being killed for some of the captures in order to fill a half-hour/12 episodes.

Generally, I read the manga first and check out the anime if I want to see it animated.

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:26:36 PM by burnpsy

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#13: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:31:11 PM

I enjoyed the Negima animez. So, to each their own.

I tend to like the anime, and prefer those that deliberately go off in a different direction from the manga, kind of like how FMA originally did.

djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
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#14: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:32:33 PM

@Risu..

The anime of Kaichou wa Maidsama took some turns different from the manga. You should read the manga from the start to get the original story.

Unless it's an Anime First, I read the manga then watch the anime.

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burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#15: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:38:09 PM

[up][up]There's saying "to each their own", and then there's acknowledging that the Negima anime was cut early for a reason and that it's the picture on the QUALITY page for good reason.

There's a difference between going in a different direction and ignoring when the original work goes in a different direction. The latter is just being stubborn and annoying the fans (since most only started reading because of the Genre Shift).

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#16: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:41:44 PM

Obviously the first Negima anime had severe QUALITY issues, but I tend to look on anime story arcs as basically being their own thing.

As long as the quality-independent of the existence of the manga-is up to par, I don't see the problem.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#17: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:43:48 PM

The problem here is that, because there are a lot of people who are introduced to manga series through anime, the first Negima anime being terrible + ignoring the shift likely put off a lot of people.

But we're straying off-topic already.

Staying with the original topic, I'm sticking with my stance of a site like the one you're suggesting being pointless.

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:44:21 PM by burnpsy

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#18: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:54:30 PM

Because the anime typically runs substantially later than the manga's releasse, I sincerely doubt that there are a lot of anime viewers that would have otherwise taken up the manga were it not for said anime.

The anime brings brand awareness to the franchise more than anything. Any effect of people saying "Oh, this anime sucked ergo the manga will suck" is minimal compared to the marketing potential of the anime itself.

djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
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#19: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:57:54 PM

[up]I WAS introduced to Negima by the anime's retcon second season. Now I think that the manga > anime because the anime sucks. But if it weren't for it I won't discover Negima.

...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#20: Aug 22nd 2011 at 5:58:39 PM

You're still trying to press that point? I actually have literally no interest in that argument.

Besides, I still see too many people dismissing Negima because of the slow start (and actively b*tching about it), which the anime amplified.

But, as I said, that has almost nothing to do with this topic. If you really want to argue about it, the Negima thread is right around the top of this forum right now.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:02:41 PM by burnpsy

djmaca Secret Character from Philippines Since: Apr, 2010
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#21: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:03:24 PM

There's Hayate no Gotoku's anime and manga deviations if you want a different example.

...a little brother should belong to his older sister, right? - Orimura Chifuyu
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:03:46 PM

How many people dismiss it is irrelevant.

Indeed, how many people as a percentage dismiss it is also irrelevant.

What's relevant is how many people enjoy it as a net number. At least, if you're going from the producer's POV (obviously, if you're talking about "The sanctity of art!" you might have a different position, and in that case, I certainly concede that the anime kind of tramples on that).

If the number of people who otherwise would have enjoyed the manga but aren't because the anime turns them off to it is less than the number of people who realize the manga exists because of the anime, excluding such issues as digital piracy (as there may be significantly more digital pirates in one subgroup than another-from the POV of the producer, you want non-pirates, obviously), then you want there to be an anime.

The anime expands the market base.

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#23: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:06:07 PM

[up][up]Already brought that up. Tomu cherry-picked Negima from my post of examples.

[up]I already made it clear that I honestly don't care about that argument. Don't bother will the paragraphs.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:06:45 PM

What exactly do you mean by "I don't care about that argument?"

What point are you trying to prove, precisely?

There's certainly a specific set of values wherein the anime is a bad thing. Sure. And I'm not telling you as a person to watch the anime. But what I'm getting from you is "I don't like anime, no one should watch the anime, and I will ignore any argument that proves my position is faulty." Now, I'm guessing that your actual position is somewhat different, but the "I don't care about that argument" line of thought is precisely that.

It is at best obnoxious, and at worst a deliberate display of intellectual dishonesty. You can't just "ignore" arguments, so long as said arguments are sound.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:08:30 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#25: Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:08:02 PM

I mean that I never intended for it to be an argument in the first place. I am of the opinion that arguments are pointless because people are stubborn and never change their stances from the result of an argument.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:08:16 PM by burnpsy


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