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Deadlock Clock: Feb 3rd 2014 at 11:59:00 PM
Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#126: Jun 12th 2013 at 7:03:12 AM

I'm mixed on that - the naming of them is a trope too because that's precisely what the viewer recognizes them by.

However, I believe we can't have a page for "Standard" Status Effects without having a page for Status Effects in general, and if we do have a page for it in general then it needs to mention both the positive and negative ones, rather than strictly focusing on Status Ailments while letting Status Buffs have their own page.

edited 12th Jun '13 7:05:52 AM by Stratadrake

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DamianYerrick Since: Jan, 2001
#127: Jul 10th 2013 at 12:13:02 PM

So at this point the plan appears to be

1. Take "Status Effect" to YKTTW as the supertrope of Standard Status Effects and Status Buff.
2. Rename Standard Status Effects to Status Ailment.
3. Possibly split subtropes of Status Ailment to YKTTW.

Who's up for this?

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#128: Jul 10th 2013 at 4:55:58 PM

I'm up for it... distracted scheduling and all....

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#129: Aug 6th 2013 at 5:46:59 PM

<threadhop>

Are we still using this scheme for organizing/classifying the status effects?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#130: Aug 13th 2013 at 12:58:20 AM

Hmm...this is getting stale again. Is there any reason why we don't close this and start over? I get the feeling that without a completely fresh start we won't be getting anywhere soon.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#131: Aug 13th 2013 at 8:47:09 AM

Well, I do have that YKTTW for Status Effect, I'm certainly disappointed nobody's responded to it.

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BinaryStep Since: Dec, 2012
#132: Sep 4th 2013 at 7:25:51 PM

I think we should fix it. The title always bugged me, since "status effect" doesn't mean "status ailment".

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#133: Sep 4th 2013 at 8:29:30 PM

I also began a YKTTW for Status Ailment, which ... is ... also lacking in the feedback department.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#134: Oct 15th 2013 at 3:50:11 AM

Clock is set.

edited 15th Oct '13 3:50:27 AM by Willbyr

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135: Oct 16th 2013 at 7:53:19 AM

I think the Status Effect YKTTW is launch-ready. Status Ailment could use some more time, but it can survive as an Internal Subtrope until its YKTTW is done baking.

All we have left is to look for splittable subtropes that we can write up. The health of our main trope isn't contingent on the splits, so I feel comfortable that our work here is done and the project can be handed off to Special Efforts/YKTTW.

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#136: Oct 16th 2013 at 8:24:22 AM

Short Term Projects, actually. But otherwise I agree.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#137: Dec 31st 2013 at 9:35:07 AM

Okay, Status Effect and Status Ailment are now both done. Status Effect is declared No Examples Please; Status Ailment could probably have examples split into subpages by genre. Any ideas for indexing and crosswicking?

Unfortunately we do now have a disconnect in naming — that the existing page is canonically named "Standard Status Effects" and not "Standard Status Ailments".

edited 31st Dec '13 9:36:03 AM by Stratadrake

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#139: Jan 31st 2014 at 7:09:54 AM

[up][up] So you're suggesting a rename, then?

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#140: Feb 1st 2014 at 2:28:08 PM

Consistent use of terminology between trope names is a Good Thing.

Hopefully the last crowner?

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#141: Feb 1st 2014 at 11:26:23 PM

I don't see a need to split between Standard Status Ailments and Standard Status Buffs. Just let it cover both and keep the name. We can stick a Tropes Are Flexible note in the description if that's necessary.

edited 7th Feb '14 3:45:25 PM by troacctid

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#142: Feb 3rd 2014 at 3:03:18 AM

[up] You're too late in saying that. At this point, you'd need a very good reason to overturn the the consensus opinion of splitting the two into separate tropes.

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#143: Feb 7th 2014 at 3:50:07 PM

I was referring to Stratadrake's new crowner. We already did the split between Status Buff and Status Ailment. There's no need to split Standard Status Effects too. Renaming 900 wicks would just be a waste of effort and there's nothing wrong with it as is.

edited 7th Feb '14 3:50:30 PM by troacctid

Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#144: Feb 7th 2014 at 11:24:50 PM

Look at the page, it covers negative status effects exclusively (and always has). Whereas Status Buff not only defines the term but incorporates a list of standard buffs.

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#145: Feb 8th 2014 at 1:02:29 AM

Standard status buffs would be covered implicitly via Tropes Are Flexible/Playing with a Trope. (The current description even already has a line talking about them.) But even if they weren't, it would be much simpler and easier just to expand the description a little bit—renaming is overkill.

edited 8th Feb '14 1:02:39 AM by troacctid

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#146: Feb 8th 2014 at 1:16:33 AM

I voted the new, not hooked crowner down, mainly because I am not sure if a rename or a description rewrite is needed, and the crowner only covers the first option.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#147: Feb 8th 2014 at 10:14:44 AM

...statutory limitation of SP crowners, yeah.

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#148: Mar 8th 2014 at 5:42:54 AM

The last clock is waaaaay past due; has anything been done with this?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#149: Mar 8th 2014 at 12:56:17 PM

The last, unhooked crowner pretty much stalled, perhaps because it has not been hooked.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#150: Apr 15th 2014 at 4:06:07 AM

Looks like we're as done here as we're gonna get; locking up.

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