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ArtemisStrong Wizard/Father of Tom from The Mended Drum Since: Jun, 2011
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#401: Oct 23rd 2011 at 6:23:05 PM

Doesn't this also need a new name according to the crowner? I'm of the opinion a brand new thread for the rename should be started, something that should be quick and dirty, with a crowner attached from the beginning with name suggestions to move that part of the business along.

edited 23rd Oct '11 6:23:17 PM by ArtemisStrong

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BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
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#402: Oct 23rd 2011 at 6:39:31 PM

I have created two crowners already, they just haven't been affixed.

If you want to make a new thread, I guess that would be okay. Generally the rule is against having more than one TRS thread for a trope at one time, though. If you do so, link it here.

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#403: Oct 24th 2011 at 2:54:53 PM

As a sidenote on the Dude Thats Not A Lady option, not only is it too similar to another trope name, but we don't need ptitles anymore.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#404: Oct 24th 2011 at 3:28:58 PM

Is there a sandbox for the gender neutral version? I'll take a whack at it.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#405: Oct 24th 2011 at 3:43:31 PM

Now, I'm confused. What is the current definition of this trope?

BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
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#406: Oct 24th 2011 at 4:01:53 PM

[up][up]I don't know. You could create one or simply put a draft up here.

[up] One character is shocked by another character's sex or true gender due to the other character's presentation as the other sex/gender. This is met with two different general sets of reactions based on the revealed sex/gender of the second character.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#407: Oct 24th 2011 at 4:05:34 PM

[up] So it's the reaction to the revelation and not just the revelation itself.

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#408: Oct 24th 2011 at 4:07:16 PM

[up] Yes, the actual Revelation trope does not fully exist yet IIRC (with the exception of Samus Is a Girl which is a extremely specific form of revelation which is misused for the larger missing trope.)

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#409: Oct 24th 2011 at 4:14:38 PM

My contribution:

Sexual attraction is a funny thing, and sometimes if a character physically appears to be the right gender to appeal to their sexual preference, then they'll become attracted to them, regardless of what that character's actual gender might be. Usually said character's true gender is being kept secret purposefully and they are a male Disguised in Drag or a female Disguised as Male, but whether the misunderstanding was intentional or not, due to Rule of Drama, they will find out and it will be awkward, hilarious and possibly traumatizing for all involved.

This can happen to either gender of any sexuality. A male might be shocked to find the girl he's been crushing on is a male all along. A female might be confused to realize that hot guy she's been daydreaming about was actually a woman. Her male Gay Bestfriend will probably feel similarly. Almost always there is shock upon The Reveal, possibly even some disgust, anger or disappointment on the part of the character who was feeling the attraction, but usually the two characters can reconcile by the end and become friends. Other times it might not bother them, or after a period of consideration, they'll decide If It's You, It's Okay.

Compare with Shapeshifting Squick, Dude Looks Like a Lady, Bifauxnen, and Samus Is a Girl. Often accompanied by Attractive Bent-Gender. Contrast Jumping the Gender Barrier and She's a Man in Japan

Constrast with Sweet on Polly Oliver which is the gender inversion reveal, usually with the exact opposite reaction.

edited 24th Oct '11 4:18:59 PM by NoirGrimoir

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#410: Oct 24th 2011 at 4:16:00 PM

Constrasted with Sweet on Polly Oliver which is gender inversion reveal with the exact opposite reaction.

edited 24th Oct '11 4:16:09 PM by Raso

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#411: Oct 24th 2011 at 4:17:36 PM

Added it.

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#412: Oct 24th 2011 at 4:36:33 PM

The only name I could think of was Surprise Incompatible Gender, which is...adequate. I added it to the crowner, but I really hope we can find a better one.

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ArtemisStrong Wizard/Father of Tom from The Mended Drum Since: Jun, 2011
NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#414: Oct 25th 2011 at 5:30:24 PM

My only problem with that is that it could just as easily indicate Sweet on Polly Oliver.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#415: Oct 29th 2011 at 3:50:48 AM

12:5 for Dropped A Gender Bomb, everything else has less than +1.

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#417: Oct 30th 2011 at 9:41:21 AM

Dropped A Gender Bomb seems ridiculously vague, as if it could just as well be about shocking unconventional aesops on gender issues or something.

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captainpat Since: Sep, 2010
#418: Oct 30th 2011 at 9:44:53 AM

I though this was supposed to be about the reaction to the revelation. None of the names seem to indicate that.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#419: Oct 30th 2011 at 10:26:33 AM

[up] correct

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#420: Oct 30th 2011 at 3:00:21 PM

And the trope isn't about the reaction. There are multiple different reactions, shock is just the most common. It's about the situation of a character being attracted to another character which he or she thinks is of a compatible gender, only to find out the character isn't of the compatible gender. (Guy likes girl, finds out girl is actually a guy). It's the situation, and the reaction is included in that.

I think something like Wrong Gender Attraction Reveal or Wrong Gender Attraction Surprise is Exactly What It Says on the Tin.

edited 30th Oct '11 3:01:36 PM by NoirGrimoir

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#421: Oct 30th 2011 at 3:11:25 PM

Edit: misread the example

If the girl is revealed as a guy, and the first guy is fine with it, then the trope is subverted. It's the reaction to the revelation, not how the reaction is shown.

edited 30th Oct '11 3:12:57 PM by crazysamaritan

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#422: Oct 30th 2011 at 3:42:18 PM

Do we have a trope for the inversion yet? Guy is friends with a guy, then the second one turns out to be a girl? I thought for a while there we were saying this was any kind of Gender Reveal (in which case that should just be the name), since about half the examples used the format I just mentioned (with some gender-swapping, of course).

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#423: Oct 30th 2011 at 3:43:17 PM

Sweet on Polly Oliver, aye?

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#424: Oct 30th 2011 at 3:44:54 PM

No, Sweet on Polly Oliver is when a guy is freaking out because he's attracted to another guy...and then it turns out to be a girl.

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BooleanEarth And a happy new year. from Banned Land Since: Jul, 2011
And a happy new year.
#425: Oct 30th 2011 at 3:47:30 PM

...isn't that what you said?

"In the land of the insecure, the one-balled man is king." - Haven

AlternativeTitles: DroppedABridgetOnHim2
20th Sep '11 4:37:04 PM

Crown Description:

Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.

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