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RichReeders Official Muffin Watcher from Watching this muffin. Since: Feb, 2011
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#1: Aug 19th 2011 at 11:48:15 AM

As it is now, if a page gets locked, nobody can edit it. Is there any way to set things up so users that have been here beyond a certain amount of time can edit a page regardless of lock?

The system as it is now punishes us just as much as the vandal.

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#2: Aug 19th 2011 at 12:22:24 PM

Vandals aren't always newcomers. A surprising amount of vandalism is done by people who have been around long enough to know better, but something pushes their button and they go all Single-Issue Wonk on a page.

edited 19th Aug '11 12:23:43 PM by Madrugada

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#3: Aug 19th 2011 at 12:34:28 PM

But then that one guy can get banned, and if he tries to ban-dodge, semi-protect the page and he won't be able to touch it with his new accounts.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#4: Aug 19th 2011 at 12:37:39 PM

How do you imagine this 'semi-protect' working?

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#5: Aug 19th 2011 at 12:37:39 PM

[up][up] Oo, that's actually a fair point.

How hard would it be to implement, though, tech-wise...?

edited 19th Aug '11 12:37:46 PM by USAF713

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#6: Aug 19th 2011 at 12:44:07 PM

Beats me. Nobody has said what it is, yet.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#7: Aug 19th 2011 at 12:46:28 PM

Right... I know nothing about coding. I guess I'm useless, here. Why am I in this sub-forum? [lol]

Good luck, guys...

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RichReeders Official Muffin Watcher from Watching this muffin. Since: Feb, 2011
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#8: Aug 19th 2011 at 1:24:05 PM

I dunno, but pretty much every other wiki I've been to has allowed admins to lock a page so only registered ("autoconfirmed") users can edit, and registered generally translates to "not being an anonymous IP and having been here a certain amount of time".

edited 19th Aug '11 1:24:44 PM by RichReeders

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#9: Aug 19th 2011 at 1:29:04 PM

[up]Wikipedia requires ten edits and four days for the average account(90 days and 100 edits seems to be the highest bar they have).

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#10: Aug 19th 2011 at 1:42:34 PM

Eh, don't run off just because you can't code. I can't either, but I can offer ideas and the folks who can code can figure out if they'll work and how.

In this case, I'm guessing that the OP was suggesting a tiered editing system, where accounts under a certain age would be locked out of editing locked pages, but when an account has been active for a preset length of time, it would toggle over and the lock would be nonfunctional, the way it is for mods.

I can see several ways to judge "account age":

  1. elapsed days since the account was made, regardless of editing activity (an account made on the 22 of May is 90 days old, no matter whether any edits have been made from it or not..)
  2. elapsed days since the first edit was made by the account regardless of further editing activity. (An account made on the 22 of May, but which had the first edit made from it on the 22 of July is 29 days old)
  3. number of days that edits were made from the account (An account was made on the 22 of May; edits were made from it on each Saturday and Sunday since then, but no other days. It's 25 days old.)
  4. Number of edits, regardless of how many days have passed. (an account was made on the 22 of may and 25 edits have been made from that account since then. Another account was made on the 17th of August, and 25 edits have been made from it so far. Both accounts are 25 edits old.)

That's how it could be done. I don't think that it would work very well.

And Discar, Ban-evading already gets a permaban, so "his new account wouldn't be able to edit that page" is kind of pointless.

edited 19th Aug '11 1:42:46 PM by Madrugada

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#11: Aug 19th 2011 at 1:47:23 PM

[up] Alright. I don't know about the "total edits" idea, because what about people like me who are only just getting into the editing process? If we're constructive but inexperienced, we won't be able to help here.

Days since first edit sounds like the better idea, IMHO...

edited 19th Aug '11 1:47:34 PM by USAF713

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#12: Aug 19th 2011 at 2:59:10 PM

So... locked only for young accounts, then, however 'young' is determined. That could be done fairly easily.

edited 19th Aug '11 2:59:32 PM by FastEddie

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#13: Aug 19th 2011 at 3:03:09 PM

I just don't think that it would really do much for the pages that are locked due to repeated vandalism or edit warring. Too many of the people involved in those dust-ups aren't new editors, ( how many people have appealed an edit suspension for edit-warring by pointing out that "[they've] made lots of good edits"?) and the hit-and-run vandals (like ilmurov <spit>) would just hit whatever pages weren't locked.

edited 19th Aug '11 3:08:03 PM by Madrugada

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#14: Aug 19th 2011 at 3:11:14 PM

Another way to put it is that veterans can be trolls/vandalizers.

In other words, being longer at this site doesn't mean you won't be one who vandalizes stuff. The "time here" has nothing to do with quality. It's very possible for a new person to actually be a quality editor too.

For the most part, I'd rather only Mods and Admins can edit locked pages: We can trust them for sure. We can't really officially say that about any regular member. Basically, if they can prove themselves, sure, but that's about the only reason any non-mod/admin should be editing a locked page.

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joeyjojojuniorshabadoo Since: Nov, 2010
#15: Aug 19th 2011 at 3:41:44 PM

Aren't there several pages that are locked due to persistent, ban-evading vandals targeting a particular page repeatedly over a short time span? Semi-protection would, at the least, make their vandalism less frequent and mean less work for the mods.

edited 19th Aug '11 3:44:09 PM by joeyjojojuniorshabadoo

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#16: Aug 19th 2011 at 4:03:27 PM

The only one I know of that fits that is the My Little Pony pages. And they're simply Antvasima's current target of opportunity; he fixated on others before, and will undoubtedly fixate on others (if he gets through the block) in the future.

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#17: Aug 19th 2011 at 10:43:22 PM

We could resurrect the old Wiki Curator code and add it then.

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#18: Aug 20th 2011 at 9:25:16 AM

We could ban all "Large Change"s from getting approved and let small edits go.

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#19: Aug 20th 2011 at 9:26:59 AM

[up] The problem with that is, while major vandalizing is the most disruptive, it's also, as a result, the easiest to monitor and notice. Subtle vandalizing can sometimes get overlooked for ages.

edited 20th Aug '11 9:27:35 AM by Jeysie

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#20: Aug 20th 2011 at 7:32:51 PM

We've been debating recent account restrictions for a while. Some are already in place.

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