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VmKid Since: Sep, 2009
#1: Aug 18th 2011 at 11:18:05 AM

I've heard plenty of people ask for this, and I thought it's high time someone start a thread about it.

People like to vandalize this wiki. People don't like undoing vandalism by hand. In particularly nasty cases, it's really hard and time consuming to fix vandalism.

Let's make it easier on the fixers.

A "revert" button will make it easy to fix vandalism, so the editors and moderators can get back to more productive things.

Vote "revert" button 2011.

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#2: Aug 18th 2011 at 11:19:00 AM

It's been on the request list for longer than many people have been tropers. It is also one of the more difficult pieces of tech to code from scratch in a system not designed for it from the getgo. Patience, young padawan.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#3: Aug 18th 2011 at 12:18:38 PM

As it happens, I'm working on it today. Might be ready some time this weekend.

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VmKid Since: Sep, 2009
#5: Aug 18th 2011 at 2:49:47 PM

I... I think I might be able to tell the future.

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Bookyangel2438 from New York City Since: Jul, 2011
#6: Aug 18th 2011 at 3:00:51 PM

Wow, seriously?

AWESOME! grin

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#7: Aug 18th 2011 at 3:01:57 PM

This just made my day.

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#8: Aug 18th 2011 at 3:52:37 PM

That is some excellent news.

Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#9: Aug 18th 2011 at 4:18:40 PM

Here's your coupon, Fighteer. Redeemable for one flying pig.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#10: Aug 19th 2011 at 3:32:31 PM

Here's what the new history will be like: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/mods.php?id=21

There will be a list of all the available versions in the upper left corner. When you need to do a revert, you select the version you want, review to make sure, then press the button at the bottom.

This will display differences as small as one character changed.

edited 20th Aug '11 5:11:20 AM by FastEddie

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#11: Aug 19th 2011 at 7:15:22 PM

Wait, are we going to have highlighted differences finally, too? *gleeful look*

...I may need to keep and use that coupon myself.

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#12: Aug 19th 2011 at 8:25:28 PM

Pretty. Mods only, I hope? Or are we going to have edit-reversion wars as well as normal edit wars?

edited 19th Aug '11 8:25:46 PM by Fighteer

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#13: Aug 19th 2011 at 10:45:27 PM

Hm, that reminds me. On that By the Power of Grayskull! coding, it's okay to remove the curly brackets and Wiki Word it right? I hate when people do that, it makes it a bitch to ctrl+f.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#14: Aug 20th 2011 at 4:58:04 AM

The new version controller will be for everybody who is known. There may be version-wars, but it will be much simpler to reverse damages than it is with the present system. We'll still have visibility of version changes on the Recent Changes page and personal watchlists.

Yes, removing superfluous curly-brackets is a cool edit.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#16: Aug 20th 2011 at 5:33:15 AM

All right, put on your best troll/vandal/asshole modeling cap and come up with ways a t/v/a could fuck with us using the new system.

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#17: Aug 20th 2011 at 5:43:31 AM

Well I could see someone trolling the TRS or Natter Alert thread and revert those changes as it comes off. A Mod or Curator could have a lock button that removes said revert option for their edits?

A Revert for large old edits like at one time someone blanked the page so someone restored it, Then someone months later presses that revert button to restore the page to the way it was months before (But not blanked). So maybe set a time limit of a day or two? or only like 3 edits back?

edited 20th Aug '11 5:44:35 AM by Raso

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#18: Aug 20th 2011 at 8:16:52 AM

[up] The limit on number of times backs makes it pretty useless as we've often had trolls make a number of edits to a page chopping it into piece meal and I can see them doing that if they realise we can only turn it back so many things.

I think the ability to lock it from being reverted to that point would just take care of that better and with less chance for them to abuse it.

edited 20th Aug '11 8:17:53 AM by shimaspawn

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#19: Aug 20th 2011 at 8:19:44 AM

I like that. Moderators will be able to set a version as ineligible for restoration. Sweet.

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#20: Aug 20th 2011 at 8:27:47 AM

[up][up] A Date lock however would still be a good idea for general tropers. Like a week or so.

Most people wouldn't notice a page that was reverted like say 6 months ago unless they added an entry themselves and it disappeared.

However a history lock after a major page change requiring say a mod to lock the changes could work too. (although more work for the mods.)

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#21: Aug 20th 2011 at 8:33:34 AM

Time limit could be awkward; sometimes vandalism isn't discovered right away. I once had a case of bowdlerizing that was a week old by the time I came across it, and hadn't been fixed yet.

Limiting how far back an edit you can revert should work, though.

Hrm. I should ask for clarification, though, is this a "revert one edit" tool (as in, keeping any and all edits after the edit you're reverting) or a "revert back to a previous version" tool (as in, all later edits will also get wiped out)?

Also, I don't know if it's possible tech-wise, but some kind of limit on how many reverts can be done in a row to the same page might help ward off possible revert wars.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#22: Aug 20th 2011 at 8:53:49 AM

It sets the current version to the version selected. If there are useful edits in versions after the selected item, they don't appear.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#23: Aug 20th 2011 at 9:01:36 AM

[up] Urk. Yeah, as much as shimaspawn has a good point, a limit on how far general tropers can revert back seems almost required to me, then.

Maybe give mods the ability to revert farther back if needed?

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#24: Aug 20th 2011 at 9:13:12 AM

It seems almost required to me that we don't lock a date you can't reverse past. There are no problems that it solves and lots of issues it causes. Even just in normal editing it's common to revert back several entries because they all happen to be natter. I've never seen a wiki that had a limit to how far you revert.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#25: Aug 20th 2011 at 9:17:49 AM

[up] Yes, but most wikis I've seen are MediaWiki ones, where you can choose to revert just a single edit.

In fact, that's even the default in terminology. "Revert" removes just a single edit, while "rollback" is what goes back to a previous version (essentially a one-click mass revert). And "rollback" is a special admin power on those wikis, while "revert" is usually something any editor (or any known editor) can do.

Being able to erase lots of edits in one go just seems like too powerful an ability to give to every troper. Give to mods, yes, but not the average Joe.

edited 20th Aug '11 9:19:53 AM by Jeysie

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