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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#326: Oct 20th 2015 at 7:50:32 AM

The "Maria" ending is not an alternative to the suicide, it just postpones it. Maria's going to repeat the events that befell Mary and James is going to be right back here again.

Because Maria isn't real. She's a construct created by James's mind to punish him. She can never be anything but more pain. She is not a Replacement Goldfish or a coping mechanism, she is an avatar of James's suffering who exists to make him suffer more.

edited 20th Oct '15 7:53:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#327: Oct 20th 2015 at 8:03:59 AM

I feel like the Maria ending is almost a response to people who felt that the first game's all just a dream ending was pointless.

Because like.

The thing about cyclical endings is that by their nature they're even more pointless than all just a dream endings in terms of resolving things.

But they're also extremely meaningful in spite or because of their pointlessness, in that they suggest and hint at the futility of existence.

The fact that Maria coughs during her ending really suggests that James is just going to be back here and doing all of this all over again.

EDIT: I mean.

The In Water ending is my least favorite of the three initial endings, but. I feel it's an ending that fits. I feel like all of the endings fit, really.

"In Water" definitely reflects James learning and coming to terms with what he did, and the "Maria" ending definitely does not reflect that. At all. In the slightest.

The "Leave" ending is. I mean. Hmm. It seems like the happiest ending and there's nothing really wrong with it. But I find myself struggling to really get too attached to it.

The "Rebirth" ending is interesting. The UFO ending wasn't quite as good as some of the other ones. Like, let's be perfectly honest, the best UFO ending was Shattered Memories. That's the best ending for Shattered Memories and possibly the best ending in the series?

I think that, thematically, the "Dog" ending actually fits the best. Because after the game spent so much time analyzing toxic masculinity the only real way for it to end is for James to become somebody's bitch.

EDIT: Why Silent Hill mattered.

edited 28th Oct '15 12:34:52 PM by unnoun

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#329: Nov 2nd 2015 at 4:21:24 PM

So...anyone care to venture a guess on whether or not we'll ever see rereleases of 2 and 3 that aren't the HD Collection?

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#330: Dec 12th 2015 at 1:07:42 PM

Hey, guys?

MGSV's Donna Burke is doing horror voice overs for a "new game".

The tweet in question.

She's insisting that it's not Silent Hill, but...it feels like something's up...

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#331: Feb 7th 2016 at 11:30:45 AM

So hey, something that happened.

Last night, my sister had a nasty case of the hiccups so we tried a lot of things. We decided to try and scare her and you know what I suggested?

Watching a no commentary playthrough of P.T.

Unfortunately, it didn't work, but I personally thought it was worth a shot. tongue

EDIT: Also, Hideo Kojima and Guillermo Del Toro are having a get-together at DICE. For some reason, people are assuming they're gonna use this to say they're gonna do something together. Not to be a pessimist, but can that sort of thing happen at these DICE things? I kinda doubt it.

edited 7th Feb '16 11:34:16 AM by TargetmasterJoe

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#332: Sep 27th 2017 at 1:44:32 PM

So, random thought, but is the Order's mythology supposed to be the actual backstory of the 'verse, or are they just nuts?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#333: Feb 24th 2019 at 4:34:34 AM

"[Producer] Devin [Shatsky] was running Downpour while I finished Shattered Memories," Hulett says, reflecting on when he first realised he was carrying the weight - and blame - of the entire series. "There'd be interviews [on forums] and you'd see in the question threads, people would be like: 'ask him why he sucks','ask him why he hates Silent Hill'."

"I felt like I had a target on me but I'd be told stop worrying about the fans - don't worry, they'll buy it anyway -" I gasp a pretty unprofessional gasp at this point, "- they'll buy anything that says Silent Hill on it, so it's not a problem. I already knew [...] I was targeted for it and I was seen as The Guy on this. Devin had done an interview where he said that he didn't like the Silent Hill one cult stuff, which... you know, you're allowed not to like the Silent Hill one cult stuff, but someone had attributed that to me on a message board: 'Tomm Hulett hates Silent Hill one!" I was like: alright. Not true, but okay.

"But when I saw [a fan-made web-series slating Hulett's contribution to the franchise], I got a really sick feeling - tons of people are going to see this. And it's taking what I already felt bad about and broadcasting it. It's going to be bad.

To make matters worse, though, Hulett had to not just battle the views of players, but also that of his peers, too. While his colleagues at Konami knew the truth of what he was - and was not - responsible for, managing the message amongst his industry peers, not to mention potential employers, was not so easy. It's not something I'd ever thought about before, but now Hulett's said it, I can't unring that bell; his name is unique, and surely infamous to a small but hardcore number of gamers... gamers that might well now be developers.

"Since then, at other companies, I think it has affected people's view of me, because I'll hear comments from time to time of: Oh, my friend works at that company, and he hates you'. Or I've talked to various companies, and then had contact shut off. And then I always suspect like... Oh, someone there's a Silent Hill fan.

Anyway. It's all moot now, right? Silent Hill is dead, regardless of whether or not you think Hulett was the one that killed it off (pro tip: he didn't). I'm told, anecdotally, that from time to time someone in Konami peers at its corpse, occasionally pokes it with a stick and thinks about resurrection, but after the elation of P.T. and then the unceremonious departure of golden child Kojima, Konami's shift away from games and towards gaming machines is... well, depressing.

What's worse, however, is knowing that the one person inside that megacorp who cared about the franchise - the one person who was trying to fix it, the one who cared about it - was run out by a spiteful, myopic hate mob that purported to be fans, just like me.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-02-24-life-after-harassment-ex-silent-hill-dev-tomm-hulett-speaks-out

:/

Shattered Memories actually being very good in its own right and mostly getting undeservedly shat on for not adhering to series tradition is still a (silent) hill I'm willing to go down on.

FrozenWolf2 Horni Demon LORD from HORNI LAND Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Horni Demon LORD
#334: Feb 24th 2019 at 5:59:41 AM

Best ending is the joke ending from book of memories

I'm A Pervert not an Asshole!
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#335: Feb 24th 2019 at 2:15:28 PM

[up][up] This is why fandoms are a horrible idea. This kind of toxic crap happens in every single one of them, regardless of IP, regardless of medium, regardless of target audience, it's omnipresent.

Best of luck to Hulett, hopefully these idiots will back off sooner rather than later.

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#336: Feb 24th 2019 at 4:36:35 PM

Shit like this is why I've been distancing myself from "organized" fandom as of late. The tipping point for me was all the apparently sincere threats on the lives of Star Wars actors made by the alt-right last year.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#337: Feb 24th 2019 at 4:53:39 PM

And, at the very VERY least, stop laying blame of situations to people you don't know to actually be to blame. In the Star Wars example, stop threatening the actors over character choices that they merely portrayed, not wrote.

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#338: Feb 24th 2019 at 5:06:19 PM

Modern fandom culture is almost making me miss people like the Harmonians. At least they were funny and probably didn't actually mean it when they they said they wanted to kill you over shipping.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#339: Apr 24th 2019 at 1:25:42 PM

So, I want to try this series with the second game, which is supposed to be the best.

Should I:

1. Get an emulation on a computer?

2. Get the remastered collection?

3. Get my own Playstation 2 and the game on Ebay?

Edited by fredhot16 on Apr 24th 2019 at 2:56:18 AM

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#340: Apr 24th 2019 at 3:41:59 PM

[up] Do not get the HD Collection, it's a Porting Disaster if there ever was one.

Playing a genuine copy on a PS2 (or a compatible PS3) will always be the best way to play it.

It was also released on the original Xbox (with the subtitle "Restless Dreams"), and it's technically backwards compatible with the 360, but some Game Breaking Bugs happen when played on a 360. Not as bad as the HD Collection, but still pretty bad, like save files erasing themselves. The same issues might also happen if emulated on a PC, but I'm not sure.

The Xbox version has some extra content, like more endings and an extra mini-campaign. This extra stuff was included later on in the "Greatest Hits" version that was released for PS2. It's all nice, but none of it's essential.

The game was also released on PC, but it apparently has trouble running on modern systems. I don't know if it includes the extra content on the Xbox / "Greatest Hits" version.

Edited by Primis on Apr 24th 2019 at 6:14:40 AM

Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#342: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:15:51 PM

It's not enough that they killed all their franchises, they just have to keep parading the bodies around to rub it in.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#344: Oct 31st 2019 at 10:40:53 PM

Just beat Silent Hill 2 for Halloween.

.............................Not really sure what to say other than that I feel completely drained emotionally upon finishing it. Like, wow, what an experience.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#345: Nov 1st 2019 at 5:17:42 AM

Just FYI the PC version of silent Hill 2 has a community mod that really fixes up the game, making it run better on modern operating systems, bringing in missing effects from the PS 2 version and some other neat stuff. It's the best way to play the game now if you don't have a PS 2.

LE0Night Since: Jul, 2011
#346: Jan 27th 2020 at 5:08:51 PM

Eurogamer headline: Report: Konami has two new Silent Hill games in development

Don’t toy with my emotions/sanity like this.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#348: Jan 27th 2020 at 5:23:54 PM

oh boy

more Pyramid Head shilling

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#349: Jan 27th 2020 at 5:24:19 PM

wild mass guess They're $60 and have the quality of Contra: Rogue Corps.

Also they're pachinko.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#350: Jan 27th 2020 at 6:07:44 PM

"In Water" is an ending that is definitely powerful and unexpected but given that both Eddie and Angela both succumb to Silent Hill's toxicity, I think it's the weakest emotionally. "Leave" is what I think should be the ending but I also think it's an ending that is too happy given James has confessed to murdering Laura's surrogate mother—at the very least he should turn himself in.

Oddly, I actually kind of like "Maria" and "Rebirth" because James learning nothing is both different from the setting and also kind of a bitch on the Ironic Hell nature of Silent Hill. Congratulations, Gods of Silent Hill, you made a bad person not only worse but actively crazy.

Mind you, I feel like backtracking and not following up the horror/dislikability of a protagonist is why Downpour was a 3 star game with a potential to be a 4 star (if not 5 star like 2). Murphy's Multiple-Choice Past breaks the game's point, if it had any to make. Murphy killing Coleridge for Sewell to get at Napier seems like it makes him an actual horrible person but an understandable one.

It also contrasts stronger with the woman chasing him.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 27th 2020 at 6:10:52 AM

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