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RocketDude Since: May, 2009
#126: Aug 13th 2011 at 2:54:20 PM

^^Moderators are always hard to come by, though, which undermines that idea.

dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
Brony? Moi? surely you jest!
#127: Aug 13th 2011 at 9:17:55 PM

I still have not gotten a clear answer as to whether or not this thread serves a purpous for this site.

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originalhobbit The Tape Fairy from Northern California Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
The Tape Fairy
#128: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:40:10 PM

I agree with Wave, does this need to be here? I mean, I know I created the thread but I don't want it to be a lost cause. As much as I want troper tales to stay, that doesn't seem to be happening.

It's a good thing our last name isn't Drew, because then you'd be Nancy Drew and I'd be Andrew Drew. -Andy Botwin
billybobfred Cosine! from renamed to wingedcatgirl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#129: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:41:36 PM

This thread does serve a purpose.

Lots of people like Troper Tales. This thread gives them a place to try to fix it, on the off chance that it isn't nuked tomorrow.

And that chance is non-zero, even if it's incredibly tiny.

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nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#130: Aug 13th 2011 at 10:44:38 PM

[up]Plus it could be useful for if it does get moved off site tomorrow.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#131: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:23:25 PM

What do you need a word of mod for?

dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
Brony? Moi? surely you jest!
#132: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:29:54 PM

To know if this disscussion has any point for this site.

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#133: Aug 13th 2011 at 11:33:23 PM

I wouldnt mind for the Audience Reaction tropes to be all in-universe while we could use the Troper Tales for out of universe reactions.

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YamiiDenryuu Since: Jan, 2010
#134: Aug 14th 2011 at 8:08:22 AM

[up]That would work rather well, actually.

FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#135: Aug 14th 2011 at 10:10:07 AM

Hell, I'd gladly moderate it.

Well, not so much "gladly" as "I'd take that bullet so others wouldn't have to."

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#136: Aug 14th 2011 at 11:16:35 AM

I'm a little pressed for time to today. Could someone summarize the fix ideas in this thread?

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#137: Aug 14th 2011 at 11:19:45 AM

^ Working on it.

ETA here you go:

Meta:

  • pages with nearly all irrelevant content are stripped and restarted from scratch.
  • Lock TT pages for tropes that can't realistically have "troper tales".
  • Could lock down all TT creation by default and have mods open them on request.
  • Delete all the archived old-format pages, give the new format a fighting chance for more than 6 weeks.
    • Take advantage of the fact that most editors pay more attention to what's already on the page than what the rules or guidelines say
  • make a button that goes with the namespace buttons at the top of the page (or elsewhere, up to discussion) that can link to a forum thread that exists to discuss the work/trope somewhere here, on the forums.

Rules related:

  • I'd like to see a rule against entries about yourself unless, perhaps, you've been confirmed as an example by an outside party (i.e. someone lampshades it for you).
  • Replace the vague rule against "really boring stuff" with something more objective like a rule against nonspecific entries ("this trope happens to me all the time" as opposed to "here's a specific time this trope happened to me"
  • Make the guidelines less like a suggestion. Instead of "You should try not to use 'this troper', use 'I' instead" it should say uses of "this troper" will be erased and corrected
  • quicker, clearer rules at the top of the page (in this case, Troper Tales), besides the link to the guidelines already in place.
  • Put the Troper Tales Guidelines somewhere where they attract more attention, like the Troper Tales main page itself.

Warning related:

  • Warn people that inappropriate and irrelevant content will be flagged and deleted
  • Encourage people to report troublesome entries instead of going somewhere else and complaining about them.
  • the "don't use This Troper" notice at the top of every TT page could be replaced with a "please flag inappropriate (creepy, not the trope, clearly made up, etc) entries" notice.

Entry-content related:

  • Make it clearer that the tales must be relevant to the tropes.
  • put a brief description of the trope at the top of each TT page
  • Replace the "<Troper name> Sez": with something that sounds less flippant. Even just spelling "says" correctly would help.

I think that's all of them. Some were suggested several times in different wording; those I combined according to the overall idea. Otherwise I tried to simply lift the suggestion from the post as it was written if I could.

edited 14th Aug '11 12:18:10 PM by Madrugada

FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#138: Aug 14th 2011 at 11:57:41 AM

Once again, thank you.

However, this would require not only for it to stay, but for people to actually get behind keeping it clean. (Count me in, for whatever that's worth.)

edited 14th Aug '11 11:58:03 AM by FarseerLolotea

dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
Brony? Moi? surely you jest!
#139: Aug 14th 2011 at 12:21:31 PM

I think in order for a Troper Tales page to be unlocked, the one who requests the unlock needs to demonstrate that the page in question is suitible for Troper Tales. perhaps by including the they want to put in in the request

He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#140: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:38:50 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
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Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
Lead.
#141: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:46:06 PM

Not necessarily. I assume you've got ideas here that you can take to the new wiki.

The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
Brony? Moi? surely you jest!
#142: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:47:26 PM

This thread was how to fix Troper Tales on this wiki.

He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#143: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:47:50 PM

[up]More or less.

Do we really have any particular reason or motivation to bother trying to keep the new wiki clean, after all? Call it what you will, but it's a dumping ground. And it's going to get treated as such.

Everyone who ruined Troper Tales to begin with is likely to swarm there. Count on it to be a wretched hive and so on and so forth within the week.

That's what was happening to Fetish Fuel, etc. last I checked, at any rate.

edited 14th Aug '11 1:52:26 PM by FarseerLolotea

originalhobbit The Tape Fairy from Northern California Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
The Tape Fairy
#144: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:52:01 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
It's a good thing our last name isn't Drew, because then you'd be Nancy Drew and I'd be Andrew Drew. -Andy Botwin
Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
Lead.
#145: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:52:58 PM

Then take what you've learned here and apply it. If you want something badly enough, you'll be able to figure out a way to fix it.

The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#146: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:53:56 PM

I'm signed up there, and I'll do my part. But some things are like trying to bail a leaky boat with a thimble.

edited 14th Aug '11 1:54:33 PM by FarseerLolotea

dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#147: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:55:46 PM

The thing is, we are not interested in that other site! for all I care, it could become a mic of 4Chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica.

He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Ramus Lead. from some computer somwhere. Since: Aug, 2009
Lead.
#148: Aug 14th 2011 at 1:56:23 PM

Perhaps that problem will be averted if you have boat that's strong enough and enough people with on board with thimbles.

The emotions of others can seem like such well guarded mysteries, people 8egin to 8elieve that's how their own emotions should 8e treated.
FarseerLolotea from America's Finest City Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#149: Aug 14th 2011 at 2:03:06 PM

As I said, I'm already signed up there. This was a foregone conclusion by no later than three pages into the other thread.

edited 14th Aug '11 2:03:24 PM by FarseerLolotea

ninjaclown Since: May, 2009
#150: Aug 14th 2011 at 2:03:49 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.

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