I'm not an expert on Brazilian politics, but Aszur seems to be saying that his rise was fueled by American missionaries who manage to tailor make a political base for a Bolsanaro style Presidency.
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Edited by AzurePaladin on Jun 22nd 2020 at 3:31:00 PM
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerDomestic issues...which the U.S has inflamed deliberately for decades.
There are more ways to influence other nations that don't involve outright wars and genocide. You can plant seeds there, and nurture them into choking vines.
You can set up your companies, seek protection from them, give them money so they buy their own politicians akin to their interests. Especially if you are the number one buyer of their exports.
Sell them ideology that seeks profit over wellbeing, demonizing everything else at the expense of those in the most.
Joel Osteen style scammers are plentiful, well known, and a deliberate political strategy.
Edited by Aszur on Jun 23rd 2020 at 1:42:23 AM
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesI think it is fair to say that Brazil had enough hostile far-right wingers by itself that the USA wasn't the only cause of the Bolsanaro regime, just the same that it is true that USA influence in the area played a contributing factor.
A phrase a teacher once told me that I will remember for a long time, is that "History is Over-Determined". After the fact, trying to retroactively find a cause, there are dozens of threads one could follow and determine as the cause, but in reality there are many which all merged together. See the defeat of Hillary Clinton. In history, both and then some can be causes without being the only cause.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerAszur is right that the left will have to content with chavez shadow for a long time.
And you know what? that is fine because it deserved it.
Because let be honest here, the left on latin americant aren just a bunch of progresist,feinist and some rich politician trying to enact politic for the public most of the time, it to tie to old tankies ideas of army(chavez was a military guy in a continent full of military juntas) obsession with power and love relationship with violence that many times run with the left(even if they deny over and over), is not surprise chavez in the end become a military caudillo.
Also an this is another issue, anti US and anti imperalist show itself to be as good as the old neoliberal "Let bring democracy to afghanistan", most of the time it reveal himself to be apologist for dictatorship or even ilberal because is US, I have seen people tell me that china and russia neo colonization are good because they give more agency to their colony.....
Just like donald trump is US problem coming into one men, so was chavez in general, the left join the whole caudillo system and open the door to chavez.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Considering I've commenced this argument by pointing out Chavez was a narcisistic imbecile with nothing but a desire for power, I think it is fair to say that I've not come close to exonerating guilt from latin american leaders and nations as faultless.
But I find it is incredibly useless at best, maliciously misleading at worst, to ignore the deliberate, historical and concurrent, and very relevant to this day efforts of far better funded nations to destabilize Latin America.
This is far from a "Latin america great if only we were not being opressed by big mean U.S!" which is a cartoonish exageration bordering on the offensive. Merely that if we want to understand this mire, it'd behoove us to understand how we got there in the first place. And in doing so, we could work for better education for our people in our understanding of history, as well as better ideas in how to make economic deals with other nations, if we were aware of their intentions.
The point goes beyond "U.S. man bad. Latin America great. Unga Bunga smash, if not for big mean U.S." which was the whingy strategy Chávez used. It's an understanding of which factors have been piling up that lead to economical decisions which affect so many people right now.
Edited by Aszur on Jun 22nd 2020 at 2:00:57 PM
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothesJust a heads up on the Evangelists and Bolsonaro, there is some evidence that the USA supported the spread of Protestantism (especially its Calvinistic variant) in the region to create a shift of values from those supported by the Catholic Church to others more friendly to usonian values.
Needless to say this is rather controversial to touch open because the region, while no longer holding Christian Catholicism as the official religion of the state, is an intrinsic part of our culture, something that bothers not only the protestants -who tend to be right wing overall- but also some of the, forgive the expression, self-cringe atheists -who tend to the left- who look at Europe as an example of secularism and want to replicate that here amongst the other things that, as I explained before, doesn't really translate to our reality.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.Yeah it’s worth noting that the US‘s relationship to fundamentalist Evangelical Christian groups in the developing world probably companies reasonably well to the relationship that Saudi Arabia has with fundamentalist Sunni Muslim groups.
Now a society still needs to be a fertile ground for said ideas to take route, but let’s not pretend that the US doesn't export extremist ideology, it was only 2009 when US preachers in Uganda helped move forward the idea of homosexuality being a capital offence.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyranthere is two thing here that are in conflict with each other: From one part US have middle in latin america and that is a truth.
On the other hand anti american and anti imperalist stands have prove to be a joke in most part: revanchist, pro dictatorship, pro imperalist as long said place fuck with US and very, VERY populist.
Chavez is pretty much the maximum exponent of that and if the left want to be serious and respect again it should rethink why it happen what it happen, I wont trust them again after this.
Also, I have a very intense hatred for the cuban goverment for enblaing chavez and their middling in venezuela.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"So, the PSUV finally decided what to do with their prision population.
Give weapons and train them to defend Venezuela from the Gringos.
I am quite impressed by how the PSUV literally admits they're thugs and they're proud of it. It already was a regime ruled by criminals, but now the army would be made of actual prisioners.
At this point, I am honestly believing the PSUV had decided to read the Star Wars EU and they are just copying The Contingency
This logic more of less would explain this choice of giving actual military weapons and training to street thugs. The PSUV deliberately wants to made the aftermath as bloody and painful as possible
Edited by KazuyaProta on Jul 5th 2020 at 12:35:37 PM
Watch me destroying my countryConsidering how Chavez quickly increased ties with all the big and militant far-left groups, such as the Tupamaros, I'd bet there was some degree of covert assistance to the FARC, and perhaps the ELN. Shared goals and ideology. Ammunition, money, training, I'm unsure, but it could be one of those things. Maybe corrupt Venezuelan officials and officers gave them a cut of the drug trade too.
Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Jul 14th 2020 at 10:01:50 AM
Credit to Kayuza for the link: The ELN is now going to get help from Maduro.

You literally did not know that the protestant groups which flood central america were a POLITICAL tool and not a religious one?
They have been using them since Reagan
And religion had plenty to do with Bolsonaro winning
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes