Both. I don't know what This Troper already covered, and I can't think of any obvious ways to avoid it without screwing up the sample, so I'll go with whatever the Random Number God turns up.
I will keep my soul in a place out of sight, Far off, where the pulse of it is not heard.Results are in.
Methodology: I used the "Random Trope" function repeatedly until hitting a page with more than one Troper Tales entry attached, then went through all its attached Troper Tales entries (archived and otherwise) and tallied up the results. Note that the vast majority of the entries being considered are archived; I'd estimate that about two-thirds of the tales in the new system are bad, which while a bad track record is still somewhat better than the old system.
My results, sorted by trope:
Probably false: |
Do not fit trope: |||||
Trivial: ||||||||
Speculative/dream/what-if scenario: |
Legitimate: |
Total: 15 bad, 1 good
Trivial: ||
Me Too!/excessively laconic/bare assertion: |||||||||
Belongs on main page: |
Bare assertion plus attempt at self-demonstration: |||
Braggadocio: ||||||
Does not fit trope: ||||||
Bad formatting: |
Legitimate: |||||||
Total: 28 bad, 7 good
Trivial: |
Does not fit trope: |
Total: 2 bad, 0 good
Note: This is kind of a nasty one: either I throw out all personal preferences on the grounds that they don't fit the trope (which is supposed to be fandom-wide), or I keep them on the grounds that that's what the TT namespace is for, and the main page leaves it ambiguous as to which is acceptable. For the time being, I've counted personal reactions with more than a sentence or two of explanation under "Legitimate (personal)", and those without under "Trivial". Claims of belonging to some shipping faction go under "Does not fit trope".
Trivial: |||||
Does not fit trope: |
Legitimate (personal): ||
Total: 6 bad. 2 good
Does not fit trope: ||
"Subversion": |
Total: 3 bad, 0 good
Writing by the Seat of Your Pants:
Note: I'm counting "I have a plot skeleton and a few scenes in mind, but..." as not fitting the spirit of the trope.
Unnecessarily laconic/bare assertion: |||
Does not fit trope: ||||||
"Inversion": |
Legitimate: |||
Total: 10 bad, 3 good
Note: Having one gay friend, or being friends with a gay couple, doesn't make you a Fag Hag. Neither does being part of a large same-sex group with one or two gay opposite-sex members. I'm also not counting gay or lesbian friends to opposite-sex gay or lesbian groups; by my reading the trope requires a straight participant, although I'm counting Dyke Tyke tales as legit.
Trivial: ||||||
Unnecessarily laconic/bare assertion: |||||
Does not fit trope: |||||||||||||
Bad writing: ||
"Aversion": |
Legitimate: |||||||
Total: 28 bad, 7 good
Note: I think I've heard a couple of the stories that I'm counting as "legitimate" before. If I know I have, I'm putting it under "probably false".
Unnecessarily self-demonstrating: |
Trivial: ||||||||||||||||
Does not fit trope: |||||||||||||||||||||
Bad joke: ||
Should be in main page: ||||||||
Probably false: ||||||
"Aversion", "subversion", or similar: ||||||
Braggadocio: |||
Legitimate: |||||||||||||||
Total: 66 bad, 15 good
Note: ...although the stuff I've counted as legit is very old industry lore.
Trivial: |||||
"Aversion": ||
Does not fit trope: ||
Braggadocio (impressive, given the trope): |
Legitimate: ||
Total: 10 bad, 2 good
Note: As this is a death trope, I'm throwing out anything where no one dies.
Trivial: ||
Does not fit trope: ||
Total: 4 bad, 0 good.
Grand total: 172 bad, 37 good, or 82% bad.
edited 8th Aug '11 12:04:20 AM by Nornagest
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I almost wonder if he has a point there. Given that Troper Tales seems to be the Wretched Hive where our more "undesirable elements" go - even more so then Darth Wiki, especially now that it's more monitored - we should give some thought to where said undesirable elements will go if Troper Tales gets the chop.
@nrjxll — Honestly, I'm not very convinced by that argument. Complaining on the main namespace didn't get much less common while it was kosher on Darth Wiki, and it didn't get much more common when it stopped being so. I've seen the same pattern repeated a couple of times in other contexts, most recently the IJBM debacle.
The "quarantine" argument no longer seems fashionable in the administration debates I've had the morbid curiosity to look into in the last few months, and I think there's a very good reason for that. No reason not to extend it to this context.
edited 8th Aug '11 1:46:31 AM by Nornagest
I will keep my soul in a place out of sight, Far off, where the pulse of it is not heard.Eddie: I understand that notion.
I've been concerned that offsite communities may be gaining too much influence on our policy too, but ultimately, 70-odd people are not going to do something just because someone told them to. If that were the case, there would be a lot of down votes too, and there's not, there's less than twenty.
I think at this point, it is more than safe to say that the Troper community as a whole does not want Troper Tales anywhere near us anymore, as a majority.
I spread my wings and I learn how to fly....
Also, there used to be all those Unknown Tropers who kept adding to troper tales, and they are all gone since The Google Incident, so they are no longer part of the troper whole.
edited 8th Aug '11 1:53:31 AM by nuclearneo577
Eddie: No this is the tropers as far as I know. How many times have we tried to fix it and only have it start going wayward. I think it is honestly time to just cut it loose or cut it out. It is not really worth either the time or effort that, we, as a community and the mod team could possibly redirect to other issues.
Really Norn's foray into it has pretty much sealed the deal for me.
edited 8th Aug '11 2:17:44 AM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?I've been thinking of making a separate wiki for Troper Tales. I've already reserved a wikia address, and I've recreated a couple of pages on there, but if anyone else is up for it, I would love to have someone more wiki-savvy help me.
Studies show; Intelligent girls are more depressed 'Cause they know what the world's really likeI realize that the following will likely discredit me entirely, but since one nay in a sea of yays won't do jack shit anyway, I'm going to speak up. I am reminded, in a way, of my nail-biting habit. (Bear with me.) I look at my fingernail, and see that it's not perfectly round. So I bite at it, and I manage to fix the imperfection I noticed...but then another one, a much smaller one I wouldn't have given a second glance before, suddenly stands out so badly that I have to re-"manicure" myself, and the process continues until I've gotten it so short it hurts even to touch that finger...and I can still see uneven spots. This is what I'm seeing happening to the wiki: with the frenetic purge of trouble spots, things that were completely ignored are suddenly glaring errors that must be cut/purged/redone — that's the only explanation I see for why so many things are being changed nowadays, and while certainly many of the earlier changes were beneficial, there's a point at which we need to lay off and accept that nothing is perfect. I can't shake the feeling that if we keep picking at decreasingly pervasive issues, the nail is eventually going to be gone.
As I said, I know my thoughts won't matter in the slightest, but I would be extremely upset to see it go. Naturally, I'm highly displeased with the reformat, but at least it's there. I haven't seen Fetish Fuel Wiki, but if the only other option is to zap it entirely, then I heavily support following the leader with Troper Tales.
(On another note, though, the overwhelming majority is pretty horrifying — loads of people use TT, but now the exact same people are voting to get rid of it? If they weren't the same people, obviously there would be a lot more nays from those people, so...I'm genuinely confused...?)
Crown Description:
Should Troper Tales be removed? Vote down for no, up for yes.

The new TT seems a bit bare. Ten pages would probably be fine under the old system but I suspect you'll need quite a bit more sample data using only the new stuff.