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Kayube (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#451: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:20:54 PM

I initially voted down but now that I've read this whole topic (especially that one post that actually went through and listed which entries were good and bad) I'm starting to feel differently. Really, I'd be fine with the pages being moved over to a different site, except for the roleplay/tabletop game examples and maybe some of the video game examples for games in which what the players do with it is a large part of the point (like Scribblenauts for example).

As for whether the new site should still be called Troper Tales, I'd be more inclined to say it should be, since presumably the pages will still be organized around TV Tropes articles, so the title should reflect that. Someone new coming across the site wouldn't understand why all the tales have to relate to some other site's pages otherwise.

CAD Since: Jan, 2001
#452: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:25:18 PM

I support this cut for many reasons, among them is because the underlying philosophy of a Wiki is that it repairs itself over time. Troper Tales, by its nature, is something that only gets worse if left alone.

However, I must note something:

If we cut Troper Tales, the people who complained about TV Tropes because of it are just going to complain about other stuff. It's called "displacement", or, to put it another way, "not being able to correctly identify why you don't like something so you just blame the first bad thing you see". People are mostly just going to hate us because of the general bias of our articles (notably those pertaining to their favorite shows), or just due to The Internship Principle, and we can't really ever change that unless we end up nuking the whole site.

If we're doing this to make our site more respectable, it's not going to work. At the end of the day, TV Tropes is just a popular website, and people will continue to hate us just as much. We're never going to be even close to an academically recognized resource. Wikipedia still isn't.

Just as long as we all understand that.

INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#453: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:27:18 PM

^Indeed. We shouldn't cut this because other people don't like it. We should cut it because most of this site agrees with them anyway.

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juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
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#454: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:28:56 PM

Agreed. Reputation shouldn't be considered unless we're thinking of future contributors.

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
likes the cheeses.
#455: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:28:58 PM

edit: INinjUH'd.

edited 8th Aug '11 12:29:50 PM by Meeble

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#456: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:29:32 PM

How about we archive absolutely all Troper Tales (including pages that were previously deleted for whatever reason), delete the namespace, upload them to an uploading site, and put a link on the Darth Wiki?

I can get behind this if TT won't be moved onto an offsite but live location.

> boring

I gloss over entries too much. I guess I find like >90% of the content boring. Including ones that people find creepy.

Boring, creepy, and other descriptives are all subjective anyway.

edited 8th Aug '11 12:29:58 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
Laugh it off, everybody
#457: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:33:18 PM

I think the main point to be made is simply that "most of us don't like it".

About 122 of us, by the looks of it.

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dracosketch Since: Oct, 2011
#458: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:34:15 PM

If TT keeps staying on the site, it'll only get worse and worse. Getting it removed/relocated, a large improvement for TV Tropes. It has no place on here. Just boring, egotistical, disturbing and ridiculous baloney. That's what Troper Tales is.

SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#459: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:36:19 PM

I'm aware, I'm just pointing out what it boils down to.

Which is fine, I'm sick of it, and want it gone.

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dracosketch Since: Oct, 2011
#460: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:38:26 PM

@ Spain Sun! I want it to go away too.

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#461: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:38:40 PM

More like 192 of us don't like it.

dracosketch Since: Oct, 2011
#462: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:39:52 PM

wait a second, kinda off topic. how do you vote on something here?

Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
likes the cheeses.
#463: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:41:37 PM

Click Show/Hide options on the below crowner, then to the right of where it says "Should Troper Tales be deleted?" click on the UP arrow to vote "yes", orthe DOWN arrow to vote "No."

If you do not see any arrows, it may be because you have a new account. New accounts have to wait two weeks before they can vote, to prevent ballot stuffing.

edit: Hah! Reverse INinjUH'd!

edited 8th Aug '11 12:42:44 PM by Meeble

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INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#464: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:41:51 PM

On the crowner, hit "show/hide options," then click on the up arrow icon.

If your account's under a week old, you can't vote because of a ballot-stuffing incident awhile back.

Ninja'd. I don't know why I even bother explaining stuff :P

edited 8th Aug '11 12:42:12 PM by INUH

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dracosketch Since: Oct, 2011
#465: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:42:47 PM

So that's why I don't see any arrows. I guess I have to wait.

Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
likes the cheeses.
#466: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:44:03 PM

Unfortunately, yes. We've had problems in the past with people creating new accounts just to vote multiple times in crowners, which necessitated the change.

edited 8th Aug '11 12:45:04 PM by Meeble

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#467: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:45:18 PM

Well I mean that policing the main pages for "This Troper", as annoying as that is, is better than having to police TT. But you're right in saying that that aspect is more or less tangential to real reason I want it gone. Even if it would take more effort to police trope pages than to police T Ts, which personally I don't believe to be the case I still think it would be better so as to to make it clear that that sort of thing doesn't represent us.

edited 8th Aug '11 12:46:50 PM by Scherzo09

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
Laugh it off, everybody
#468: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:46:37 PM

Fuck our image.

I don't want to be on the same website with some of these people. That's the only real reason I want it gone.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#469: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:48:26 PM

[up]I mean I honestly don't go to the T Ts so I can't honestly say its an affront to me personally. It just all seems.... rather stupid tbh. And I just honestly agree with a lot of what outsiders say about TT.

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BoundByTheMoon Kvltvre Vvltvre from The Spanish Sahara Since: Jun, 2010
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#470: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:51:23 PM

[up][up]Exactly.

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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
Revy Gonna Give It To Ya
#471: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:53:06 PM

[up]Eh, I'm sorry if I come off as pandering to our haters; but its just because I believe here they have a point. Its not just a superficial thing though; I honestly think TV Tropes would be a better site if that shit were cut.

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Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
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#472: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:56:26 PM

edited 25th Aug '11 6:02:05 AM by Nyarly

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.
SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
Laugh it off, everybody
#473: Aug 8th 2011 at 12:56:31 PM

Our 'haters' tend to be worse than the people we've got here, if only because of the rather stalkerish tendencies they display.

But that's not the topic here. The topic is if we want TT gone, and we do.

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#474: Aug 8th 2011 at 1:30:01 PM

Methodology: randomly hit TT's looking for tales with 4 or more entries, grade them on demonstration/not demonstrating and also just being dull. Also keep track of total # searched through and spottings of this troper.

Not enough entries: 254

This troper spotting: 14

Demonstrates the trope according to at least one of the big three(Clear, concise, and witty.)

16

Doesn't demonstrate the trope at all:

39

Really boring:

20

total 55: so 70% of entries didn't demonstrate the trope.

NOTES: if something was really boring but did follow the big three I tagged it in both, same if it didn't demonstrate and was boring.

I hit two TT's for games, however since we're discussing demonstration of tropes I felt it prudent to leave those be as works are not tropes. Of the hundreds of TT's I hit I'd say about 40% were empty, with the rest not meeting the minimum threshold for observation.

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GoodGuyGreg Silence Is Golden from Berlin Since: Jun, 2011
Silence Is Golden
#475: Aug 8th 2011 at 1:30:34 PM

Look, I really really like the Troper Tales. They were my favorite part of the site vefore I joined the fora. There's that sense of community and of enthusiasm and excitement at discovering people who share your personal anecdotes, no matter how strage or obscure. They feel very human and very warm, and I enthusiastically vote for them to stay

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SingleProposition: TroperTalesRedux
7th Aug '11 8:35:49 PM

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Should Troper Tales be removed? Vote down for no, up for yes.

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