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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#24952: Jan 14th 2015 at 4:35:39 PM

Having owned that She-Hulk issue, I can't find it there. But it might have occurred a different time.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#24954: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:24:35 PM

Not overly depressed, because I wasn't all that enthused about all the other parts of that rumor.

But who knows? Didn't the leaked emails suggest that they had batted around the idea of an Aunt May movie despite Sony's previous emphatic denial?

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#24955: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:28:29 PM

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"F*** You, Sony."

Wow.

It must take guts for a website to end an article on a note like that.

Seriously though, you'd think Sony would at least consider selling the Spider-Man film rights to Marvel at this point, what with that massive North Korean leak fiasco costing them (what I imagine to be) millions and all.

IMO, having the Spidey film rights is starting to look like it's more trouble than it's worth for Sony.

edited 14th Jan '15 5:35:01 PM by TargetmasterJoe

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24956: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:33:25 PM

[up]It's easier than them wanting to admit they fell for a BS story.

[up][up]Honestly? Aside from the more specific details it was largely stuff that was either logical to draw from or stuff from previous rumors. "The new Avengers team will likely contain Black Panther, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and Captain Marvel." No fooling? You mean the characters Marvel is heavily pushing with their own movies might end up joining together as a team, exactly like what they did in Phase 1?

Even the stuff about the founding Avengers being out of commission is similar to stuff that we've heard in the past or have seen hinted at in interviews for Age of Ultron.

edited 14th Jan '15 5:42:17 PM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#24957: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:38:52 PM

[up]True, true. I don't know, I guess I just don't like how they're claiming the founding Avengers will be Put on a Bus. I'm not crazy about the idea of Captain America dying in Civil War only to come back for Infinity War, or Thor being in galactic prison, and especially not (though both were conjecture) Iron Man and Hulk both being in space. One strikes me as cheap, another confusing, and the others... seem like a wasted opportunity, considering that we know Gunn wants to keep Star-Lord the only Terran on the team and they're not doing Planet Hulk.

edited 14th Jan '15 5:39:09 PM by Khfan429

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#24958: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:39:16 PM

[up][up] BS story?

Sorry, but what exactly was BS?

Honestly, is there really any shame in knowing when to fold?

edited 14th Jan '15 5:43:24 PM by TargetmasterJoe

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#24959: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:41:09 PM

But if they do Planet Hulk and Civil War, then they can do World War Hulk...

Admittedly, that's probably going to be a much less impressive fiasco with such a reduced universe size. And without The Sentry to punch Hulk through walls.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#24960: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:43:35 PM

And it'll be much less impressive thing since they're either going to have to turn the rest of the heroes into jerkasses to justify Hulk's rampage, or turn the Hulk into a mindless raging unjustified monster. Or have the conflict be ultimately pointless, which is arguably worse.

No World War Hulk please.

edited 14th Jan '15 5:44:10 PM by Khfan429

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24961: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:43:54 PM

[up][up]I still think that the rumor about Hulk being sent into space could be legit. They've said we're not getting Planet Hulk and that Hulk won't be joining the Guardians, but that doesn't preclude a situation where he's shot off into space and only comes back during Infinity War.

In fact that'd be the ideal place to reintroduce him for a Big Damn Heroes moment.

edited 14th Jan '15 5:44:12 PM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#24962: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:45:52 PM

If there's no Planet Hulk and he's not joining the Guardians, sending him into space now is a wasted opportunity. Because then everyone's going to be asking why they didn't do a freaking Planet Hulk movie.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24964: Jan 14th 2015 at 5:47:33 PM

He hooks up with the GOTG and they give him a ride back after the Thanos business is taken care of.

edited 14th Jan '15 5:47:46 PM by Kostya

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24965: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:03:34 PM

[up][up][up]Comic fans might be asking that but most of the audience isn't really familiar enough with the canon to know what that even is.

Plus I'm just not in favor of Planet Hulk or World War Hulk because they both rely on both groups of heroes being unlikable Jerk Asses.

edited 14th Jan '15 6:04:10 PM by comicwriter

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#24966: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:06:18 PM

But I want character development for Hulk.

And admittedly, I kinda want them to hold off World War Hulk until they get Wolverine so Hulk can put him through walls.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24967: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:09:19 PM

[up][up][up]Or even while the Thanos business is taking place.

I'm imagining a moment where the Avengers are at their darkest hour. The heroes lie defeated and Thanos is gloating, preparing to deal the killing blow. Just then, you hear two words.

"HULK SMASSSSSSSSSSSSSH!"

The audience goes nuts screaming while the Hulk sends Thanos flying through a fucking wall.

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#24968: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:20:12 PM

"Plus I'm just not in favor of Planet Hulk or World War Hulk because they both rely on both groups of heroes being unlikable Jerk Asses."

Ultron and/or Thanos somehow disposes of Hulk by flinging him to the far corners of space. He lands on an inhabited planet.

Now you have Planet Hulk without having to make people unlikable. Remember, there's nothing that says these stories have to be 100% adapted as written.

edited 14th Jan '15 6:20:47 PM by CorrTerek

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24969: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:27:13 PM

Well I'd assumed some variation of the former was going to happen anyway. The discussion was about not wanting Hulk to end up in space at all because Marvel has confirmed there's no Planet Hulk movie yet and it'd be a waste to use the space plot before a potential Hulk movie.

And I'm saying I'd be fine with them using the space plot because I don't have any desire to see Planet Hulk, which we know as of now isn't happening.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#24970: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:29:19 PM

Gosh, that rumor was fake? I'll have to suppress my shock. Also, screw that website for just assuming Amazing Spidey 3 will be bad based on zero evidence. People are way too hard on the Amazing movies. Yes, they've got problems, but they're still enjoyable to watch and I love them.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24971: Jan 14th 2015 at 6:39:08 PM

I"m against a Planet Hulk movie because it's an entire movie effectively without Banner in a period in the MCU where Banner has barely any real development (as much as just an actor who is really good at portraying him), a plot that by design contrasts the relationship the Hulk has with Banner even though all we have for that is a couple witty comments Stark made during Avengers, and is primarily a "shake-up" movie (like Winter Soldier) designed to change the situation the character has found themselves in which would thus come after a period where Marvel itself is not quite following through with the character (and where the last movie is very dissonant from his current portrayal) and hasn't really established a situation for him to be in the first place.

Banner should at least get one more movie, one that is treated more seriously by Marvel, before Planet Hulk is considered. Right now, he's more of a secondary character than anything - there wouldn't really be a point to suddenly putting him in a Planet Hulk situation. It'd be like if the first movie after Batman V. Superman was Knightfall: there needs to be more to the character before that sort of plot becomes a good idea.

Thankfully, years ago when Word of God said a Planet Hulk movie wasn't happening (as reliable as Marvel's word of god, is, anyway. They tend to change their minds eventually), their reasoning was very similar.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24972: Jan 14th 2015 at 7:02:14 PM

[up]Also the spectacular failure of John Carter probably hurt too.

[up][up]I dunno. I'm usually all for giving movies a chance but unless there was a drastic shakeup behind the camera I really wouldn't trust them to do any better than they did with dubstep Electro and booger Green Goblin.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#24973: Jan 14th 2015 at 7:29:19 PM

Actually, for a green villainous character, looking like a booger makes a certain amount of sense. My only issue with Goblin visually was he lacked his hat and didn't have any purple. It would've been better if they'd used the design from Spectacular- Wait, scratch that, it would've been better if they'd done literally everything exactly the same Spectacular Spider-Man.

I have no clue what they were smoking when they decided to include Electro, though. Probably the same thing they were smoking when they decided Sandman should totally be in Spider-Man 3. Look, movie writers, Spidey's got an iconic rouges gallery, but you just can't take the C-listers and treat them like A-listers.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24974: Jan 14th 2015 at 7:34:57 PM

Actually, for a green villainous character, looking like a booger makes a certain amount of sense.

They implemented it in the worst way possible. Actually they implemented Harry as a character in the worst way possible. Green Goblin should NOT have been in that movie. It was way too early.

Say what you will about the Raimi trilogy but Harry's arc at least made sense and was the payoff for a years-long running plot thread. You can't just introduce Harry and then turn him into an evil psychopath who suddenly hates Peter 10 seconds after appearing.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#24975: Jan 14th 2015 at 7:38:40 PM

I mean... aside from Green Goblin, Doc Ock, and Venom, who else would be considered an "A-Lister?" Should they have used Shocker instead?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

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