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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#24676: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:13:22 PM

So the old guy was Hank. Which one was Hope?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24678: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:17:35 PM

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Hank Pym's dialogue in the teaser was probably stitched together from several different points in the movie, but if Pym used the suit at all then there's no reason he wouldn't of come up with the term "Ant-man" himself.

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She's only in a few shots near the end. Black hair, has a gun in one of the shots.

Nothing solid to connect her to becoming the Wasp just yet, but they might be sitting on it for awhile and potentially not until the movie itself is released. I could very easily see a situation where she snags one of Yellowjacket's suits (or if Yellowjacket only has one, steal his only suit) at the climax of the movie and helps Ant-Man out of a tight spot.

edited 6th Jan '15 7:27:45 PM by Falrinn

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#24679: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:26:46 PM

Anyone want to talk about, y'know, Agent Carter?

I liked it. I feel like Atwell has a lot to work with and that Carter's an interesting character. Her chemistry with Jarvis is a lot of fun. I'm not entirely certain about how the mystery's being put together but things move at such a pace that if there are structural issues I've missed them entirely. Carter's coworkers are just on the right side of goofy, and the sci-fi period stuff looks great. (Glowing grenades! Analog phlebotnium-detectors! Fax-machine typewriters!)

I do think the "Captain America Adventure Hour" was a bit overdone, as though the show felt their audience wouldn't notice they were defying convention without it, but whatever, it doesn't look like it'll be a recurring thing. And I wish their were more women involved in the action. Besides that, though? Pretty much flawless. I'm looking forward to next week.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24680: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:27:48 PM

[up][up] That's not what I meant. I mean the line itself "I need you to become the Ant-Man" doesn't sound like something that flows well in dialogue, and was probably put in for the trailers - I doubt the line is going to be in the movie, and that Scott will say "is it too late to change the name" after Hank refers to it as "Ant-Man" in a different context.

edited 6th Jan '15 7:27:59 PM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24681: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:30:35 PM

It would please me greatly if that line was kept in, but I fear you are correct about it's eventual removal.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#24682: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:32:05 PM

@Wack'd: Discussion of the TV shows is generally reserved for the show's thread. Or, at least discussion of Agents of SHIELD was reserved for the Agents of SHIELD thread, and I imagine it'll be the same for Agent Carter.

My thoughts on it are pretty much the same as yours.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#24683: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:35:45 PM

It just occurred to me that Ant-Man could be a pretty horrific movie if it had the right amount of Nightmare Fuel to it.

edited 6th Jan '15 7:36:36 PM by higherbrainpattern

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24684: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:41:08 PM

We talk about Agents of SHIELD here sometimes (though that petered out a bit as the first season went on), as well as the preview information for the Netflix shows, so no worries.

In any case, I like how they're fleshing out Peggy as well. Thanks to the advertising I was worried she was going to be all "badass against a prejudiced world" and not have many nuances herself that would make her an interesting character herself, but I really should've known better. Atwell herself has been on record as saying she doesn't want to be that kind of character: that she wants to be a heroine whose character drives the plot and has a full, developed and intelligent story that's as much about Peggy as it is beating up thugs.

All my doubts vanished immediately thanks in no small part to Atwell's acting, and it gives the show a good vibe as a character-driven series. It's making me wish next week would get here already.

As for the implications for the MCU as a whole, we're now introduced to Leviathan, which is apparently Communist HYDRA, and we're probably going to get a very detailed look at what Stark Industries was cooking up before Tony came along. Vanko's apparently a recurring character (he seems to be playing The Professor, though I wouldn't be surprised if this was the story of how he and Tony became estranged), and there's a lot more worldbuilding so far than AOS had at this point, which is interesting.

I kind of hope this series gets another season, but with a timeskip to after SHIELD is created - kind of a before/after sort of thing. Atm, this show takes place before the Agent Carter short - Peggy's still looked down upon by her bosses at the SSR, and SHIELD isn't any more than an idea - if that - at this point), though I think Stark asking Peggy to help him in the series is a prelude to see if she's up to helping him create SHIELD.

edited 6th Jan '15 7:42:57 PM by KnownUnknown

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#24685: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:42:56 PM

Oh, I'm not saying they have to be talked about in those threads and only those threads, it just seemed like Wack'd was confused why no one was talking about it here.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#24686: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:43:10 PM

For the record: The Agent Carter thread.

Anyway, as for the AM trailer, I can't say it does much for me, but then I'm not really interested in that movie anyhow.

The "giant" insect thing, though, doesn't do my having an extreme dislike of bugs in general (don't know if I'd call it a full-blown phobia, even setting aside my loathing of self-diagnosis thanks to too many internutters using some behavioral disorder as an excuse for being an asshole tongue ) any favors. tongue

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
Mr. Dr.
#24687: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:45:50 PM

Eh, the Ant Man trailer didn't really introduce anything new that the previous teaser clips haven't already, except for the ants.

Wish they played up more of the apparent humor.

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kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24688: Jan 6th 2015 at 7:55:52 PM

Not a bad trailer but it didn't have enough of Hope. I also wish we got a look at Yellowjacket.

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#24689: Jan 6th 2015 at 8:01:40 PM

Ant-Man, Ant-Man, does whatever an Ant-Man can...

Kind of iffy on the trailer- not sure if the humorous ending works well with the overall serious tone or not (leaning toward not).

Kind of getting an O Ld!Bruce Wayne (of Batman Beyond) vibe from the film's version of Hank.

"Hope" practices martial arts and shoots a gun, that's cool.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#24690: Jan 6th 2015 at 8:01:49 PM

They probably should have cut to some more upbeat music after the 'Huh'. That's the one area they could have done better. Otherwise nothing is wrong with the footage itself.

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Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24691: Jan 6th 2015 at 8:10:52 PM

You think he'll turn Giant Man or will they save that for the sequel?

edited 6th Jan '15 8:11:06 PM by Beaver

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#24693: Jan 6th 2015 at 8:47:53 PM

I have a growing feeling that Pym is going to turn out to be Yellowjacket.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#24695: Jan 6th 2015 at 8:56:47 PM

We already know Corey Stoll is Yellowjacket, and they're playing him as a villain.

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Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#24696: Jan 6th 2015 at 9:01:29 PM

It is possible that Lying Creator is going on, but yeah, it seems to be Stoll and it sounds like his Yellowjacket somewhat fits Pym's characterization in that persona (I remember Stoll talking about his character being complex and not easy to write off as evil)

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LizardBite Shameless Self-Promoter from Two Galaxies Over Since: Jan, 2001
#24697: Jan 6th 2015 at 9:02:46 PM

I'm not sure if it was confirmed before this, but the teaser definitely confirmed that his daughter does indeed exist in this universe.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#24698: Jan 6th 2015 at 9:21:51 PM

[up] Cassie Lang? Yeah, she's in the movie.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24699: Jan 6th 2015 at 9:34:17 PM

Until people have seen the movie I'm not going to rule out them having a twist where Hank actually is Yellowjacket.

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24700: Jan 6th 2015 at 9:37:10 PM

The teaser showed us two types of character dynamics we haven't seen in the MCU yet...Mentor/Mentee (well, I guess we get a glimpse of it with Yinsen) and father/daughter. I really look forward to that...though I wonder how anyone stirs an ant?

I dig Agent Carter. I mostly like how her blue dress and the red hat pops out against all the grey dressed guys. And how she pushes back whenever she can afford to, but is also not afraid to use the fact that everyone is underestimating her to her advantage.


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