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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

stratofarius huzzaaaaaaaah Since: Aug, 2011
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#24426: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:29:49 AM

Vision is gonna end up being Avengers 2's Quicksilver, right?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24427: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:31:50 AM

If you mean he'll be a One-Scene Wonder Ensemble Dark Horse with a Story-Breaker Power, I guess anything's possible.

edited 31st Dec '14 10:32:03 AM by VeryMelon

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#24428: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:42:02 AM

It was always hilarious to me in the original comics how the writers must have realized Vision was too stronk and immediately had villains come up with counters for him.

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#24429: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:52:09 AM

Well, Vision looks slightly less ridiculous than what he looks in the comics so I'm good. Actually they spiffed him up substantially. I'm impressed.

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#24430: Dec 31st 2014 at 11:07:48 AM

Like it for the most part but Widow's costume has a few too many tron lines on it. Also are her gauntlets ever going to become ranged?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24431: Dec 31st 2014 at 11:50:33 AM

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It might be something specific to Age of Ultron. Her usual fighting style wouldn't be very effective against killer robots without some high tech equipment.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#24432: Dec 31st 2014 at 11:53:45 AM

Yeah, it's entirely possible that her weaponry is specifically anti-tech. Either built quickly to fight Ultron or saved in case she had to fight Stark.

I think she's grounded enough that her ranged weapon will always just be "a gun".

edited 31st Dec '14 11:54:26 AM by TenebrousGaze

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24433: Dec 31st 2014 at 12:09:06 PM

I don't think the suit is anti-tech. She's seen wearing it in promo stuff for the opening assault on HYDRA, which is before Ultron appears.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
Mr. Dr.
#24434: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:00:13 PM

Any rumor on whether SHIELD vs Hydra will play a part in this film?

Or will it be completely separate from the TV series?

edited 31st Dec '14 2:12:38 PM by Mattonymy

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#24435: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:00:33 PM

I would have just added some Chitauri energy weapons onto her bracers.

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#24436: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:13:52 PM

I don't think they can be made that small. The reverse-engineered one seen at the end of Item 47 was car-mounted.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#24437: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:17:23 PM

Don't make me say it.

Tony Stark...

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#24438: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:23:59 PM

Fusion reactor, cave, box of scraps.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24439: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:35:09 PM

Any rumor on whether SHIELD vs Hydra will play a part in this film? Or will it be completely separate from the TV series?

It's going to be self-contained. Whedon has been very adamant that Coulson not appear in the movies.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
Mr. Dr.
#24440: Dec 31st 2014 at 3:16:58 PM

[up]so Hydra and the fallout of Shield will play no part in this film?

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#24441: Dec 31st 2014 at 3:50:03 PM

Well thats stuff that was set up in Winter Soldier

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24442: Dec 31st 2014 at 3:52:18 PM

HYDRA will be in the film just not any of the characters from the TV show. So not Whitehall or Ward or any of that.

edited 31st Dec '14 4:49:22 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24443: Dec 31st 2014 at 4:58:02 PM

They've been setting up a thing where HYDRA has lots of vaguely connected cells, which are basically each doing their own thing without much real interaction with each other. Given how Whitehall and Strucker have been shown to operate, I'd be surprised if there was any real hierarchy to their organization any more as much as a bunch of proverbial city states.

It's like, they cut off the big head and a million more just scurried out of the stump and decided to go solo. So HYDRA can appear as villains in Avengers and as villains in Ao S, and both groups can safely have nothing to do with each other and not be effected by the other's presence... and inevitable failures.

edited 31st Dec '14 4:59:22 PM by KnownUnknown

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
Mr. Dr.
#24444: Dec 31st 2014 at 5:03:47 PM

Given that Coulson is the new director of SHIELD, what in-universe explanation is keeping him from at least contacting the avengers? We know Clark Gregg won't be in Ao U, but given that they're both taking down Hydra, why keep up the ruse?

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#24445: Dec 31st 2014 at 5:22:07 PM

Oh god.

How long until we encounter a Hydra "rogue cell?"

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GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#24446: Dec 31st 2014 at 5:32:52 PM

Honestly, those are only "rogue cells" because they damage Cerberus' image as Freedom Fighters. Hydra don't give a shit about PR.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24447: Dec 31st 2014 at 5:33:28 PM

[up][up]Obviously we don't know because the movie isn't out yet.

But SHIELD is currently considered a team of fugitives so it might be bad for the Avengers to associate with them.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24448: Dec 31st 2014 at 5:43:16 PM

Recently their fugitive status has been lifted, and they've got... if not government support, then at least government tolerance again. I could swear a senator referred to Coulson by name on tv, but I could be wrong.

The main thing keeping Coulson from contacting the people who think he's dead is that he doesn't want to. It's been that way since the beginning of the series. Granted, at this point they should already know or at least suspect he's alive...

edited 31st Dec '14 5:44:40 PM by KnownUnknown

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24449: Dec 31st 2014 at 6:26:30 PM

I am normally not particularly bothered by costumes, but I really hope that the tron stripes on Black Widow's outfit have some sort of purpose. Otherwise it would be pretty stupid for a sneaking around assissin to wear something which is practically a glowin target in the night.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#24450: Dec 31st 2014 at 7:04:10 PM

Honestly she's probably just using the equipment that Tony gives her as she no longer has the option of punching a SHIELD quartermaster in the head and Tony trends towards the showy. I can only imagine the conversation they had when he first gave her the new uniform.

Tony: You need to look more like a superhero so I made you this! Happy Birthday!

BW: Okay I understand the PR thing by why glowing lights? I cant sneak around if it has bright shiny lights all over it.

Tony: Thats why there is a switch to turn off the glowy lights.

BW: Oh great where is it so I can turn them off right now?

Tony: It's in my armor. If you need to sneak around just call me and I'll turn em off for you.

BW: /:[

edited 31st Dec '14 7:04:34 PM by Canid117

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