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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#24351: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:08:23 AM

The original Avengers were formed by Hank and Janet(with Janet naming them). Back then they were only Janet, Hank, Thor, Tony and Bruce.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#24352: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:09:40 AM

[up]Which is what Earth's Mightiest Heroes did, too. Like I said, cliff notes version.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#24353: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:12:51 AM

Ah, the show never came here so I didn't know.

Edit:[down]We didn't get that one either.

edited 30th Dec '14 8:19:25 AM by LordofLore

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#24354: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:17:40 AM

EMH was to Avengers what Spectacular Spider-Man was to Spider-Man.

They won a lot of points from me right off the bat by remembering that Captain America is NOT a founding Avenger, and that Iron Man is as much a leader of the group as he is.

People with only a passing knowledge of the Avengers franchise tend to assume it to basically be Captain America and his Amazing Friends. This is especially annoying when those people end up as writers.

edited 30th Dec '14 8:19:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24355: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:49:02 AM

There have been different incarnations of the characters in the media. Repeating one particular incarnation is not necessarily the way to go, even if it was popular. So maybe we don't get the Wasp. Maybe we get something better. Either way, the quality of the movie doesn't hinge on this one character.

Loki, Star-Lord, Yondu...they have changed the characters multiple times already. Does it really matter as long as the result is good? In the end, the needs of the MCU are more important than whatever is written in the comics. It is not supposed to be straightforward adaptation but a streamlined retelling.

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#24356: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:54:26 AM

[up]Yes, but I like Wasp's character. At the very least, I don't see why we can't have Janet's daughter as Wasp or something. The thing about the movies is they can basically get away with using whichever characters they feel like using. I mean, throwing Wasp into the Avengers is no more or less arbitrary than throwing Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver into the Avengers.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#24357: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:54:39 AM

This is an interesting project.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24358: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:57:31 AM

Some concrete details on the Vision and Ultron's origins:

[1]

[2]

So the Vision is programmed by Banner and Stark, while the Ultron program is found in the ruins of the Chituari attack.

edited 30th Dec '14 8:57:53 AM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#24359: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:03:23 AM

[up]I wonder what ruins they found him in. The attack didn't destroy that many buildings from what we saw(maybe 5-6 due to the Space!Eels).

Edit:We're sure this Ultron isn't from space, right?

Also comicwriter you need an avatar.

edited 30th Dec '14 9:13:27 AM by LordofLore

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#24360: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:35:13 AM

[up] I don't think he's from space. It's possible he was just in a computer or storage space that got hit.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#24361: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:40:41 AM

So Ultron is a Chitauri AI? And Tony thought it would be a great idea to screw around with it? Really? That's the plot they're going with?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24362: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:41:59 AM

Again nowhere does it actually say that it just says he found it in the ruins of the attack. It's a little early to be griping about plot points that aren't said anywhere but the mouths of the people on this forum.

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#24363: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:45:52 AM

[up]If that picture is legit, I'm pretty sure the implication here is that Ultron is a Chitauri AI. I don't see why else them finding it in the ruins of the invasion of New York would be relevant.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24364: Dec 30th 2014 at 9:49:08 AM

I'm pretty sure the only implication is they found it there. That could range from any number of scenarios including them finding a dormant lab or something with interesting technology that was uncovered by the attack.

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#24366: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:01:11 AM

I figure it was just found in some uncovered SHIELD lab or in the data mine that Stark did. Note that the Chitauri didn't use any AI.

Whoever doesn't like that Yellowjacket costume is insane. That looks amazing.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24367: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:33:42 AM

This could also fit with the theory that Pym had SOME hand in Ultron's creation. Perhaps he worked on it before realizing it was dangerous and then abandoned it, only for the Avengers to find it after his old lab or storage facility was exposed by the Chitauri invasion.

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#24368: Dec 30th 2014 at 10:48:31 AM

Exactly what I was thinking. I believe I'd suggested that earlier in this thread, so now it seems to have a slightly higher chance of being the case.

edited 30th Dec '14 10:49:08 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#24369: Dec 30th 2014 at 11:41:19 AM

I loved EMH and I liked the Yellowjacket episode but it clearly was a victim of Jeph LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEB's mandate that story arcs be downplayed in favor of one-offs. It would have been better if it had been given build-up rather than Hank going from 'angry that someone stole his tech but giving them a chance to do good with it' to 'what's hygiene?' in the episodes he appeared in. He was perfectly functional the last time we saw him and suddenly he's not.

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#24370: Dec 30th 2014 at 11:47:30 AM

Agreed. EMH is amazing, but there should have been a slower build to Yellowjacket. I mean one can justify it with his depression about the Ultron incident and how his pacifist methods always seem to get shot down or blown up in his face. Also he isolated himself after all that and that's never good for anyone's mental health.

Just needed another episode of him going into address to make it slightly more believable.

It would certainly get me more interested in stories with Hank Pym in them if I found out the 616 verse were going to be using his EMH characterization from now on.

Also, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEB!

edited 30th Dec '14 11:47:48 AM by MousaThe14

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#24371: Dec 30th 2014 at 11:50:25 AM

On the topic, he never interacts with the Vision and never is shown having to deal with Ultron coming back.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEB is possibly a scapegoat here but still gonna scream it.

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#24372: Dec 30th 2014 at 11:54:57 AM

I thought it was Quesadilla.

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#24373: Dec 30th 2014 at 12:03:55 PM

Little bit of both? Quesadilla put Loeb in charge and Loeb is of the opinion that kid's cartoons should be dumbed down for tiny kid brains that kids apparently have.

Someone should tell him that Doctor Who is for kids. I think his brain might melt.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24374: Dec 30th 2014 at 12:06:02 PM

In his defense, the ratings for EMH weren't very good and that was part of the rationale behind giving it a Retool. I don't think it was for the reasons they thought though.

I imagine it had less to do with Continuity Lock-Out and more to do with Disney XD not being a channel that had a big draw at the time as well as the Avengers not being a Cash-Cow Franchise yet.

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#24375: Dec 30th 2014 at 12:06:58 PM

I guess Assemble is doing better then. One day, I'll have to finish slogging through it.

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