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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

mrsenoreddie Since: May, 2013
#24326: Dec 29th 2014 at 8:12:08 PM

Think Hope/Janet/Wasp is being saved for the end of the film aka she's getting the Vision spot in Ao U. She's there but you won't see it yet.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#24327: Dec 29th 2014 at 8:56:54 PM

I'm, like, 99% sure there's going to be a surprise reveal that Hank Pym is Yellowjacket like in the comics after all.

edited 29th Dec '14 8:57:19 PM by spashthebandragon

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#24328: Dec 29th 2014 at 9:16:16 PM

I figure it may be the case as well, but I hope not.

[up][up][up]Hey, the Russo brothers had a mediocre track record in film too. Maybe the MCU can catch lightning in a bottle twice.
[down]I know, but it still stands. Even their TV work was significantly removed in style from that movie.

edited 29th Dec '14 9:38:02 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24330: Dec 29th 2014 at 9:55:38 PM

[up][up][up]I had that same thought. It would be a great twist if the movie revealed that he was the one fighting Lang and he didn't even realize he was doing it.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#24331: Dec 29th 2014 at 10:06:50 PM

Dipping into dissociative identity disorder there?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24332: Dec 29th 2014 at 10:16:30 PM

That was how Yellowjacket was portrayed in the comics when he first showed up. There was a big mystery over who he was and at first he claimed to have killed Hank Pym. Later they found out he was Hank and he had a mental breakdown that caused him to invent another identity.

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#24333: Dec 29th 2014 at 10:18:58 PM

I sure hope not.

I think the psychiatric field is dubious on the veracity of disassociative identity disorder and it would be kind of green goblinish. Also, I think Pym's current comic diagnosis is bipolar.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24334: Dec 29th 2014 at 10:29:58 PM

Bipolar disorder doesn't fit with how he acted. He legitimately thought he was someone else when he was being Yellowjacket.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#24335: Dec 29th 2014 at 10:31:48 PM

Yeah, I'm saying that's how he's portrayed currently.

Frankly silver age comic psychology doesn't usually match the real world.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#24336: Dec 29th 2014 at 10:42:34 PM

Yeah, we should if possible avoid doing more damage to the psychiatric and neuroscience fields than Hollywood already has.

Perhaps his breakdown can happen as a result of some sort of phlebotnium malfunction, but if they do go the fiction-split-personality route it shouldn't be depicted as a legit form of crazy that could happen to anyone.

edited 29th Dec '14 10:42:53 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#24337: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:22:12 AM

I have to say that you guys are really extrapolating based on one promotional image. It doesn't even feature Michael Douglas. All I see is Ant Man and Yellowjacket. That effectively says nothing about whether Wasp is in this.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24338: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:33:00 AM

Just for the record, Winter Soldier is a bad example for "a movie with two male leads in which a woman still gets character development" because it is not a movie with two male leads in the first place. The leads in Winter Soldier are the Cap and Black Widow. And remember how much Sharon was sidelined in this construct? Granted, Falcon got a decent character introducion, but again, Winter Soldier had the advantage that it didn't have to spend time on establishing all the other characters above their basics.

I think there are a couple of reasons why they didn't went with Hank Pym. For one, they already have a bunch of scientists, they don't need another one. Two, they don't have a thief yet in the line-up. And three, this way they can avoid the more questionable storylines which are attached to the character. Plus, the common viewer has barely an idea who ant-man is, so I doubt that many would be bothered by the lack of Wasp.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#24339: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:37:07 AM

I would think the 'Hank Pym' part is the most vital part of that equation. Whether it's fair or not, Hank still gets stuck with the 'wife-beater' label (Marvel themselves don't really help much with this), and man oh man that would not go over well for publicity.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#24340: Dec 30th 2014 at 1:54:18 AM

Eh... honestly, I do feel like Falcon and even Bucky were more "leady" than Black Widow. But that may be unintentional sexism talking.

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#24342: Dec 30th 2014 at 2:17:54 AM

Yeah, Black Widow was way more prominent and important than either.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#24343: Dec 30th 2014 at 2:43:08 AM

I dunno man I said it was stupid.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#24344: Dec 30th 2014 at 2:49:24 AM

OK then. Steve and Natasha were together more often than not, really, so.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#24345: Dec 30th 2014 at 2:51:47 AM

Yes. We established that. Thank you. I'm an idiot and I'll shut up now.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24347: Dec 30th 2014 at 3:38:36 AM

And here I thought that the best part of Winter Soldier was the interaction between Black Widow and Cap, how their different world views constantly clashed and how their strengths (Black Widow spy experience and Caps soldier experiences) combined made them nearly undefeatable.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24349: Dec 30th 2014 at 6:12:38 AM

[up]Nope, I am just honestly puzzled because for me, that's what made the movie so strong, the different opinions on how to protect and how far one is allowed to go for the greater good.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#24350: Dec 30th 2014 at 8:03:17 AM

You know, I'm not super familiar with the Avengers comics, but I did watch Earth's Mightiest Heroes, which is pretty much the cliff notes version. I had no idea who Ant-Man and Wasp were, but when I saw them on the show, I really, really, really liked them. Wasp was hilarious and adorable (if a little useless, power level-wise) and Hank was a pacifist hero with a cool character arc, which I always like. And then I got to the Yellowjacket episode and I was like "WHAT?"

So yeah, I'm a little bummed out the MCU seems to be skimming over Hank and Janet. Also, Yellowjacket's comic costume is so, so, SO stupid. It's a little hard to be a dark and edgy crazy person when you're dressed as a bumble bee, Hank.

edited 30th Dec '14 8:06:30 AM by spashthebandragon

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