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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24151: Dec 22nd 2014 at 10:23:45 PM

Damn, that guy really looks like Cage. So does this make Iron Fist the only series that doesn't have the lead actor announced yet?

[up]It heightened his senses but the combat skills came from training.

edited 22nd Dec '14 10:24:30 PM by Kostya

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24152: Dec 22nd 2014 at 10:28:59 PM

[up]Yup. Hopefully we'll find out within the next few months.

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#24154: Dec 23rd 2014 at 10:33:16 AM

So it may be an evolving process?

I wouldn't even mind if they stuck with the comic suit pictured. That outfit is bad-ASS.

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#24155: Dec 23rd 2014 at 10:38:01 AM

Well, I guess if they're doing the whole "suit gradually changes" thing, this is better than using the yellow one...

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dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#24156: Dec 23rd 2014 at 4:23:13 PM

I finished reading "Thor vol 2: 80-85"

I wonder if "Those Who Sit Above in Shadow" will be in Thor Ragnarok, as the Bigger Bads and/or "The Men behind of Loki and Surtur."

kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24157: Dec 23rd 2014 at 4:35:37 PM

I feel like the film will have enough villains with Loki, Surtur, and whatever associates of Loki are running around. Adding in them would be kind of overkill.

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#24158: Dec 23rd 2014 at 5:02:35 PM

They just have to appear in the last half hour of film.

If we talk about associates of Loki. They can be introduced as "Monsters of the Week" and "Arc Villains" in the TV Series and Netflix series.

Potential subordinates of Loki that have been introduced are: Lorelei, Absorbing Man, Marauders, Mr Hyde and Kronans.

edited 23rd Dec '14 7:10:59 PM by dantecito

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24159: Dec 23rd 2014 at 6:53:26 PM

I have doubts they'll have mythological villains showing up in the more street level Netflix shows.

kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24160: Dec 23rd 2014 at 6:56:30 PM

I was thinking of people like the Enchantress and the Executioner. Loki probably won't be able to keep everyone in the dark so having some allies to help keep Asgard under his control would be smart.

edited 23rd Dec '14 6:57:05 PM by kostya

dantecito Since: Dec, 2014
#24161: Dec 23rd 2014 at 7:29:09 PM

Amora and the executioner are anti-villains, so that they wouldn't be able to bring about the Ragnarok.

A possibility is that Lorelei could take Enchantress's place as Loki's Dragon. (She is straight villain.)

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#24162: Dec 23rd 2014 at 7:38:32 PM

The street shows would be a good place for the Wrecking Crew, in my opinion.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24164: Dec 23rd 2014 at 8:41:16 PM

Does that mean they're officially doing the "Hulk is an alternate personality who wants control" bit? Cause that'd be a bit disappointing.

In any case, they really need to just give Banner another freaking movie already.

kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#24165: Dec 23rd 2014 at 9:13:05 PM

Why is that disappointing? Banner talks about the Hulk like he's a separate entity.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24166: Dec 23rd 2014 at 9:22:12 PM

That was more shown as Banner disassociating himself from it, not that the Hulk itself was a separate personality.

The film series thus far has gone with the idea that the Hulk is an extension of Banner, or better yet Banner overwhelmed - essentially him high on a rage trip and him not in total control of his emotions and as such his actions. He's reduced to a instinctive, animalistic state, but it's still him. Banner doesn't like it and sees it as something to be shunned and abhorred, but part of his whole thing with Tony in Avengers was him needing to embrace it and thus control it when the need arose.

Pretty much every other source on the other hand, including the comics, uses the concept of Hulk and Banner being two largely unconnected personalities at odds for control of the same body, which I've always disliked. It does poor things for Banner as a character, as it removes him from the narrative and the Hulk's character development - worse comes to worse, it reduces Banner into merely being the guy who carries the Hulk around (since between the two, in the end the Hulk is the important one), not a character who really connects with the experience itself (for all it did well, Earths Mightiest Heroes is a good example of how worthless this sort of thing makes Banner's character if allowed to go to its logical conclusion). Even outside of that, it means that the things that the Hulk does do not have real narrative impact on Banner himself, beyond being another reason for him to keep the cage locked if it's bad.

Banner's relationship with the Hulk is also limited that way as well. Unless you dominate the plot itself with Hulk essential directly being Banner's "villain" as apposed to that being more metaphorical, there's little leeway you have with writing a plot about Banner that isn't more just him staving off the inevitability of him going away so the Hulk can smash things and moping about the fact that he can't seem to stop it. This approach is really good for a context where Status Quo Is God, but it stinks for actual character development: you can't fully deal with Banner controlling the Hulk, because Banner isn't really the Hulk. You can't do a thing where Banner accepts the Hulk as part of himself, because it isn't really part of himself - not any more. On the flipside, the Hulk is much, much less interesting if he's not an actual aspect of Banner, especially in a world where he's not actively being hunted by anything, because he doesn't really have a personality. The human aspect that Banner brings literally isn't a part of the Hulk's personality.

So, yes. I would be disappointed if they cut Banner off from the Hulk's characterization and turned the two into wholly separate beings. There would be a lot of lost potential there - Banner and the Hulk actually being the same person (and Banner's arc being coming to realize this, not treat the Hulk as something removed from himself) is one of the main reasons I find film Banner/Hulk a great deal more interesting than comics Banner/Hulk.

edited 23rd Dec '14 9:42:59 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24167: Dec 24th 2014 at 7:07:18 AM

Well in the comics the Hulk goes through multiple evolutions and has had various alternate personas so there's always a possibility it'll be something like that. That's one prominent element of the mythos that really has yet to be explored in the movies or TV shows.

EDIT: Actually, along those lines, it was reported recently that the Funko toy line has two separate figures, one for Hulk and one for "Savage Hulk", and there was a quote from Ruffalo about seeing "The Hulk's Hulk" in this movie.

edited 24th Dec '14 7:13:25 AM by comicwriter

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#24168: Dec 24th 2014 at 10:56:50 AM

Oh God damn it. That just reminded me of Kluh, the stupidest thing in AXIS, which is just a shitpile of stupid things.

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#24169: Dec 24th 2014 at 11:05:07 AM

[up]When Kluh first showed up, I had to check the internet to figure out who the heck he was since I assumed there was no way the comics would introduce such a random new concept out of nowhere with no buildup or foreshadowing whatsoever.

UPDATE: Oooooh, it's "Hulk" backwards. I see what you did there, writers.

edited 24th Dec '14 11:07:09 AM by spashthebandragon

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#24170: Dec 24th 2014 at 11:12:31 AM

He's the most bullshit 90s character I've seen in a while. Run through the checklist, shall we?

-Stupid name

-Stupid claws

-Mohawk

-Even strongerer and dumberer than The Hulk

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24171: Dec 24th 2014 at 11:18:37 AM

I doubt Kluh is gonna be in the movie given that he just recently debuted a few months ago and the movie has been in production for several years.

Plus the movies tend to shy away from the stupider stuff that doesn't work outside a comic so I can't imagine them saying "Yes, an evil Hulk called Kluh. That's fucking brilliant. Everyone will love this!"

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24172: Dec 24th 2014 at 11:34:08 AM

Speaking of which, I wonder if we're going to see Red Hulk eventually.

But then, what am I saying - we haven't even really seen The Leader yet.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#24173: Dec 24th 2014 at 11:35:33 AM

I thought Abomination was already an "evil" Hulk.

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