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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24126: Dec 22nd 2014 at 10:54:58 AM

We don't know what Raina has yet.

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
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#24127: Dec 22nd 2014 at 10:58:28 AM

She looked vaguely leonine. I guess she could be Porcupina (hoping that's not an actual Marvel character but honestly wondering if there is).

You are right though, her personality is totally off for Tigra (even taking in account the possibility of Raina being brainwashed by HYDRA).

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#24128: Dec 22nd 2014 at 12:21:08 PM

Agents of SHIELD would be the best place to use Tigra, I guess.

I don't see her swinging her own movie.

Maybe a Netflix series cameo.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#24130: Dec 22nd 2014 at 12:47:10 PM

THAT'S NOT HOW YOU SPELL TERRY CREWS. >:E

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#24131: Dec 22nd 2014 at 12:50:37 PM

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Um…I'm sorry?

Or were you expecting Terry Crews as Luke Cage?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#24133: Dec 22nd 2014 at 12:58:19 PM

[up]Oh.

Ouch.sad

Well, who knows? Maybe seeing Mike Colter as Luke Cage will be so awesome, you'll forget about Terry Crews. grin

edited 22nd Dec '14 12:58:51 PM by TargetmasterJoe

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#24134: Dec 22nd 2014 at 1:25:47 PM

Eh, just like with Black Panther and Doctor Strange, I had hopes for specific people, but hopefully like Black Panther, I'll be okay with this choice.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24135: Dec 22nd 2014 at 2:19:58 PM

While I get the desire to see Terry Crews, the man currently stars on two shows. There's no way that was an option.

I don't see her swinging her own movie.

Joss Whedon has said she is one of his favorite Avengers and someone he had a crush on as a kid. Had he stayed with the franchise I definitely could see her appearing in Infinity War as a new recruit, but if he really is leaving I don't think she's a priority character to include.

edited 22nd Dec '14 2:21:41 PM by comicwriter

GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#24136: Dec 22nd 2014 at 2:21:20 PM

Yeah, I was a bit bummed out that Michelle Rodriguez didn't play the role of Stephen Strange, although I could have expected it to not happen. I mean, you can't kill off the hero after just one movie.

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drfurball Since: Jan, 2001
#24137: Dec 22nd 2014 at 2:24:29 PM

Too bad they didn't wait till Christmas Day to announce it. That would've been funny.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24138: Dec 22nd 2014 at 2:45:07 PM

On the general subject of Luke Cage, I kind of wonder how the Jessica Jones and Luke Cage Netflix series will be related to each other. If the Luke Cage series is a direct continuation of the events of AKA Jessica Jones, then it could almost be seen as Season 2 of AKA Jessica Jones rather then a different series inhabiting the same continuity.

On another note, I couldn't help but notice that Daredevil and Jessica Jones have very similar origin stories. Both got their powers by being doused by chemicals as a result of a vehicular accident. Now obviously there are some differences particularly in the end results of the accident, but even so why not make it the exact same accident?

Daredevil and Jessica Jones would have to be doused by different mixtures of the chemicals in question, and Jessica would have to avoid getting splashed directly in the eyes. Jessica would then spend the time between that incident and when her series starts recovering from the accident and learning to use her powers and then engaging in her brief stint as Jewel.

Then of course they'd have to deal with the reality that someone is shipping around chemicals that can grant superpowers, but that can be handled by having everyone else whose exposed end up horribly dead, so no one would actually use the stuff on purpose unless they can figure out how to minimize the risks. That could still be used as a story hook later on, but it wouldn't be hanging over the series like a dark cloud of unresolved story.

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I'm not really a fan of gender-swapping characters for adaptations and then trying to present them as the exact same character. Minor side characters I'll give a pass to, but main characters need to be played a little safer. Michelle Rodriguez might of been able to play an amazing Sorcerer Supreme, but it wouldn't of felt like Doctor Strange and they would of been lying to the audience to call it that. Sometimes the safe choice is also simply the right choice.

Now when gender-swapping is something that happens within a continuity (such as the Master becoming the Mistress on Doctor Who), I'm also fine with as long as the explanation for why it happened is something that makes sense within the narrative.

edited 22nd Dec '14 3:05:35 PM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24139: Dec 22nd 2014 at 5:36:41 PM

[up]I think that was a joke. We were talking about how Crews' schedule wouldn't allow him to do a third TV show and Rodriguez rather famously requested her character be killed off of LOST because she couldn't fit the show into her schedule.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24140: Dec 22nd 2014 at 6:12:22 PM

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Probably, but if not it wouldn't actually be the first time I've heard the idea of a female Doctor Strange brought up in sincerity.

Marvel definitely played it safe with Benedict, and there were some people that wanted them to go completely in the other direction. I personally feel that the safe choice was the right choice in this case.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#24141: Dec 22nd 2014 at 6:30:20 PM

I believe the thing here is not her playing a female Dr. Strange, but just Dr. Strange. Like how in some presentations of Peter Pan a woman played Peter Pan without changing the character.

See here.

edited 22nd Dec '14 6:32:10 PM by stingerbrg

tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#24142: Dec 22nd 2014 at 6:45:31 PM

Peter Pan is at least Bishōnen so plenty of times the actress still looks like a boy, especially on a distant stage where you can get away with adults playing teens or children playing old men. On film, knowing that a female actress is playing a male character as a male would be constantly and unnecessarily distracting.

edited 22nd Dec '14 6:46:07 PM by tuckerscreator

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#24143: Dec 22nd 2014 at 7:35:50 PM

Whoops. Looks like I jumped the gun a bit on my last post. Derrickson says the image was fanart.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#24146: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:24:25 PM

Same time as Avengers 33: The Rise of Speedball.

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#24147: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:25:03 PM

Avengers 99: Squirrel Girl Returns.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24148: Dec 22nd 2014 at 8:35:03 PM

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Agreed. Plus with plays they generally have a far smaller pool of actors/actresses to chose from and thus could find themselves in a situation where none of the boys that tried out could pull off an even vaguely convincing Peter Pan.

I don't think I've ever heard of a major Hollywood production that cast an actress in a male role or vise verse. In very rare instances (such as the original Alien), I've heard of them casting an actress to play a part originally written for a male, but even then they didn't try to pass off the actress as a male in the finished product.

Same deal with race really. In the instance they Race Lift a character for an adaptation, they aren't going to pretend the character is still the original race in the adaptation. For example when Race lifted Xaro Xhoan Daxos for the Game of Throne's adaptation they modified the character's backstory to be an immigrant from the Summer Isles rather then a native of Qarth.

edited 22nd Dec '14 8:35:35 PM by Falrinn

WarriorEowyn from Victoria Since: Oct, 2010
#24149: Dec 22nd 2014 at 9:02:06 PM

It's been traditional, over a long span of time, to cast girls as Pan.

I agree that it would be a different matter in film. For one thing, theatre generally involves much more suspension of disbelief and use of imagination than film does - I've seen Shakespeare plays with any mix of era, gender, and race, and it doesn't require any extra explanation that would, in a film, be demanded by the audience. It leaves them free to just pick the best actors.

edited 22nd Dec '14 9:02:24 PM by WarriorEowyn

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#24150: Dec 22nd 2014 at 9:57:23 PM

I once saw a female Doctor Strange cosplayer.
She was gorgeous. And had a great costume.

I figure Luke Cage the series would start in a different place than Jessica Jones, and maybe move towards the same time and place at the end.

Didn't Daredevil not get powers from the spill? I thought it just blinded Matt Murdock, but he was independently trained by the Stick and just that much of a badass. But I guess it did heighten his other senses.


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