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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I just want a comic-book lawyer fight.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.She-Hulk vs Phoenix Wright is possible through Marvel vs Capcom
That's.... close-ish.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers@Known Unknown- Do you mean Janice Lincoln? Or is there another female lawyer Beetle? (serious question)
If you mean Janice, I'd love to see her. She'd also present an interesting rights issue since she was introduced as an opponent of Bucky/Sam Wilson, but was later revealed as the daughter of Spider-Man villain Tombstone.
If there's one thing Joss Whedon is good at it is Affably Evil villains, evil law firms and Affably Evil lawyers working for evil law firms, so she'd fit in perfectly with Wulfram and Hart HYDRA.
I also see her as filling the kind of role that Victoria Hand played in the comics (substituting Baron Zemo for Norman Osborn).
edited 21st Dec '14 7:52:16 PM by Hodor
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wikiNah, I just misspelled her name. Derp.
I honestly don't know where she would apply . I think it would be something like how while she's related to characters not owned by Marvel atm she herself is free (which might be a moot point, since if Marvel gets rights to Spider-Man Tombstone will be theirs anyway). On the other hand, she's the only Beetle who isn't a Human Torch or Spider-Man thing - so the Beetle identity might be tied in Fantastic Four, even if she isn't.
edited 21st Dec '14 7:53:02 PM by KnownUnknown
@Female Villains: If the Enchantress isn't in Thor 3 I will be severely disappointed. We have Raina in Shield and Nebula in Guardians but more would definitely be nice. I can't really think of anyone right now except for Moonstone
who could appear in the Captain Marvel movie nicely.
RE the rights stuff, it is confusing because needless to say in comics there's a lot of overlap of characters.
So, with Janice, on one hand, she worked for Zemo, but on the other, she ends up on a team that's an incarnation of Spider-Man's Sinister Six- the whole Superior Foes of Spider-Man is oddly both a spiritual successor to a Spider-Man comic Deadly Foes of Spider-Man as well as to some arcs of the Thunderbolts (who have always been more tied to The Avengers). There's also a plotline of sorts involving Doctor Doom.
The rest of the team are pretty clearly Spider-Man villains, although Boomerang (who would be cool as an evil!Hawkeye) was on a Thunderbolts team with Mr. Hyde (recently introduced in AOS) as well as Troll, who is tied to Asgard (and thus clearly could be introduced to the MCU).
Edit- So basically, because of the overlaps, I would think that even though the X-Men, FF, and Spidey can't appear in the MCU, a lot of their supporting casts probably could, so long as they were given an MCU-specific focus.
edited 21st Dec '14 9:56:17 PM by Hodor
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wikiWell, Janice Lincoln is a unique in that while there's no reason why she herself would have a problem copyright wise, being by all means a general Marvel character (she's introduced as a Captain America antagonist), she's related to a Spider-Man character (and appears in the pages of Spider-Man quite a bit) and is the Legacy Character of a Fantastic Four staple. If they were to use her, they could easily just not mention Tombstone (or say her father was a criminal but not go into details) and they likely just wouldn't be able to call her The Beetle (and Comic-Book Movies Don't Use Codenames anyway), but then there's also the possibility that, because she's a Beetle, she'll fall under the purview of the Beetle and Fox might call foul if they were being particularly spiteful about it (to the point where they might not even be allowed to make her look like the Beetle).
That said, Janice is likely too minor a character for that to be an issue anyway. And I get the impression The Beetle isn't high on Fox's Fantastic Four villain list.
edited 21st Dec '14 10:23:56 PM by KnownUnknown
Yeah, I'm probably overthinking it. Would love to see Janice on screen though.
By the way, are you sure Beetle would be tied to Fantastic Four rights? I know that the reformed original Beetle, Abner Jenkins, started out as a Human Torch antagonist, but he is much more tied to Spider-Man, and now, to the Thunderbolts.
A lot of these oddities are covered under Rogues' Gallery Transplant.
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wikiWherever the rights for The Beetle lie, it's more likely than not far away from Marvel.
The first and most notable Beetle was explicitly the Human Torch's archenemy for a decent length of time when they were doing solo stuff with the Torch, and crossed over back and forth with Spider-Man (since Spidey and the Human Torch used to interact pretty often). In the Ultimate universe, the same character is part of Spider-Man's Rogues Gallery. The second Beetle in the 616 universe was also Spider Man villain. And while Janice was introduced fighting Bucky-Cap, she has since only appeared fighting Spidey.
I really hope they can use Janice or someone like her, though. She's black and a woman, and the topper is I think the MCU could use a few more mercenaries and career supervillains: characters who are competent and powerful but don't have elaborate personal ties with the hero that demand certain narrative roles. IIRC, the first supervillains we've ever gotten like that are Absorbing Man in Ao S and arguably Rumlow (who isn't quite supervillain yet, but probably will be in the next Cap movie).
They might have to do something about that outfit,
◊ though - it's kind of sixties, and it actually looks more heroic than anything. It gives me the vibe of something Marvel or DC would give to one of their younger heroines. Reminds me of Wasp a bit, too.
edited 21st Dec '14 10:33:45 PM by KnownUnknown
Scott Derrickson (director of Doctor Strange) tweeted this image of Cumberbatch.
I'll admit, he does look the part (and while it's hard to tell, I don't think I see a goatee. Going for the classic look. Nice).
I've seen him with a moustache and beard. He can rock it.
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau Project@Known Unknown- Thanks for the overview. Yeah, I can see how having anyone called the Beetle could run into some serious rights issues, and despite his later character trajectory in the comics, Abner is quite clearly off limits.
Re the costume, that is a good question. Super Foes really runs on everyone having a Cheap Costume as part of humor and overall desire for "realism". To that end, Janice's outfit doen't look like it would offer much in the way of armor (I suppose it might be some kind of futuristic-kevlar like material). If she did appear, although her comics costume is cool, I think she'd more likely wear something more armory (perhaps one of Abner's Mach-Whatever suits?). Ant-Man is a good comparision, given that the Ant-Man costume shown in the film does seems to be more in the direction of Power Armor than spandex.
edited 22nd Dec '14 8:56:39 AM by Hodor
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wikiMost likely they will use some of the newer, younger Inhumans like Inferno and Iso and then use them as Audience Surrogates to introduce Attilan and the royal family.
I expect Raina to be resolved by show's end.
There are a lot of Inhumans from the source material that can appear in the movie. They don't need to borrow a plotline from a show that would be on its fifth season by then, and I don't really see Raina lasting another three anyway.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I get the sense Raina will be a Disc-One Final Boss that will be replaced in the season 2 finale by an Inhuman.
That would require her to be a hero, and a pretty unambiguous one at that.
Tigra is a cop who used her powers to be an even better cop. Raina is a far cry from Tigra. I realize the MCU takes some liberties with their characters, but that's like portraying Wolverine as a hippie protesting Vietnam.
edited 22nd Dec '14 10:53:33 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

One of the first ideas I thought would be cool for Captain Marvel would be to have Rogue show up as an antagonist in one of her movies and then do the "absorbs her abilities, feels remorse and becomes a hero" storyline (albeit very compressed).
That, of course, is totally and utterly impossible, so meh.
I'm convinced Agent 33 from Agents of SHIELD is going to essentially be the MCU's Madame Masque, too.
edited 21st Dec '14 6:52:03 PM by KnownUnknown