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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#24051: Dec 20th 2014 at 10:58:51 AM

I like the new Jessica costume, but I just realized why it looks familiar- It looks like the costumes worn by The Incredibles

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24052: Dec 20th 2014 at 11:01:42 AM

[up][up][up][up] When I saw the redesigned costume the first thing that crossed my mind is that they are prepping the character for an MCU appearance (be it in the movies or TV shows), and they wanted to test the waters with a more practical costume that would look better on camera.

I'm not sure how the Spider-woman rights are connected to the Spider-man movie rights. If they are't connected then we could potentially see her in one of the Netflix series, and if that's the case then she could show up in the Civil War movie. if they are linked then it'll have to wait until Marvel strikes a deal to get creative control of Spider-man back. Marvel might also opt to wait until they strike a deal even if they don't technically have to just to avoid unnecessarily annoying Sony.

edited 20th Dec '14 11:02:15 AM by Falrinn

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#24053: Dec 20th 2014 at 11:06:50 AM

I don't think Spider-Woman is connected rights wise, as I believe the character is usually pretty separate from Peter. Because Jessica Jones (who is getting her own show) is an expy of Jessica Drew, both characters are good friends with Carol Danvers, who supposedly will be getting her own movie.

There is an aspect of Jessica Jones 's backstory in the comics about having a crush on Peter in high school, which probably would be mentioned if Sony and Marvel reached a deal, but doesn't need to be otherwise (and in any case, if Peter is ever introduced in the MCU, it will be a younger Peter who isn't a peer of Jessica Jones).

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24054: Dec 20th 2014 at 11:25:32 AM

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Okay, so there's probably nothing legally problematic about Marvel doing Spider-woman. Then it's just a question of whether or not Marvel would be willing to annoy Sony by putting a different spider-themed character into the MCU without striking a deal regarding Spider-man.

I didn't know about her friendship with Carol Danvers. If that's the case then maybe Spider-woman would be a good supporting character for the Captain Marvel movie, though I don't think there's any reason to wait that long to introduce her into the MCU if they are already testing the waters with her new costume.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#24055: Dec 20th 2014 at 11:29:05 AM

Carol's already got good supporting characters named Monica and Kamala. I hope they use them...

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24056: Dec 20th 2014 at 11:51:30 AM

It's just pants and a jacket. Good for her I guess.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#24057: Dec 20th 2014 at 11:55:20 AM

Has Carol met Kamala yet?

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#24059: Dec 20th 2014 at 12:14:51 PM

You'll know when she does, because it will literally be the cutest thing you've ever fucking seen.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#24061: Dec 20th 2014 at 1:47:06 PM

Let the joke be a joke, Karkat. I found it hilarious.

...Goddamnit.

Also, love the Spider-Woman redesign.

Oh God! Natural light!
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24063: Dec 20th 2014 at 2:54:31 PM

Ugh, Bendis X-men and Bendis GotG

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24065: Dec 20th 2014 at 3:02:13 PM

[up][up][up][up] Interesting.

Well, I guess if they're not using Banner's supporting characters for an actual Hulk project they might as well use them elsewhere. And I'd peg Ross working with Stark as as good a reason as any to assume Banner isn't going to be on Tony's side in Civil War - beyond the obvious problems Banner would have with surrendering to government control in the first place, of course.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#24066: Dec 20th 2014 at 3:05:04 PM

The news sounds interesting. Also, would help with the whole "we can't make interesting non-Loki villains" thing.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#24067: Dec 20th 2014 at 3:06:38 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I've seen enough Hentai to know where this is going.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#24068: Dec 20th 2014 at 3:20:47 PM

[up][up][up]There's also the possibility Banner isn't in the movie for whatever reason.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#24069: Dec 20th 2014 at 3:47:37 PM

They'll need a better reason for him to not be involved if they're not going to shoot him into space this time.

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24071: Dec 20th 2014 at 4:31:00 PM

I think an appearance of Spider-woman fully depends on how well Agent Carter, Captain Marvel and Jessica Jones do. If they do well, Marvel will look into their other heroines. If not...well, I don't really want to think about it.

940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#24072: Dec 20th 2014 at 4:36:52 PM

I'm kind of curious about ho they'll make Civil War work. Are they just going to bring in a bunch of superheroes from the Avengers comics? How are they going to establish them in the MCU?

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#24073: Dec 20th 2014 at 4:41:04 PM

How many times are we going to keep answering this?

Alright, so, it's not going to be a 1:1 conversion of what happened in the comics becuase that would be really really dmb, it's more like it' going to be "based" on core ideas of the civil war transplanted so that they make sense within the context of the MCU.

Which probably means it's not going to be a giganto-war among 50+ superheroes.

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#24074: Dec 20th 2014 at 4:46:07 PM

[up]Sorry. I'm new to this thread.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#24075: Dec 20th 2014 at 5:13:12 PM

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So far we know that Captain America, Iron Man, and Black Panther are all confirmed for Civil War. Black Panther will be the one sitting on the fence rather then Spider-man (who will have a cameo at best, assuming Marvel gets the rights).

They might and probably will bring in additional heroes beyond those 3, but ultimately it is "Captain America: Civil War" not "Avengers: Civil War", which means it's probably not going to have a massive roster.

I think an appearance of Spider-woman fully depends on how well Agent Carter, Captain Marvel and Jessica Jones do. If they do well, Marvel will look into their other heroines. If not...well, I don't really want to think about it.

I'd be very surprised if Agent Carter, Captain Marvel, and Jessica Jones all tank. Agent Carter and Jessica Jones don't even have to do great, they just need to be about as successful as Agents of Shield and Daredevil respectively. Also Spider-woman can be introduced to the MCU without any immediate plans for a solo movie/show, and I think it'll be the reception she gets from that introduction that will answer the question of whether or not she gets a solo film rather then the performance of the other female-led projects.

Overall though, I'm not too worried. I firmly believe that Frozen and Mockingjay have proven beyond all doubt that not only can a female-led movie do well today, they can do spectacular.

edited 20th Dec '14 5:25:23 PM by Falrinn


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