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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23976: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:17:24 PM

I'm starting to think Vision's origins could be the big surprise of this movie. Like, that where he comes from and who he is as a "person" as a result is something that has a lot of different nuances.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23977: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:18:29 PM

[up][up]That would explain the Thousand-Yard Stare he has at one point in the trailer.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#23978: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:24:05 PM

Would be amusing if Vision is patterned after Banner's thought processes the way Ultron is based on Stark's. THE Person of Mass Destruction, and his counterpart is the more peaceful AI.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#23979: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:25:08 PM

Vision does have his moments of anger. Usually while yelling about how he doesn't have emotions and breaking things in a tantrum.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
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#23981: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:33:48 PM

Vision has Jarvis's voice actor, doesn't he? I'd always assumed Tony's love for Jarvis was so powerful, it would turn him into a sentient robot.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#23982: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:34:08 PM

He's had emotions for quite awhile as I understand it. Any recent portrayals of him as emotionless are ignoring previous character development.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23983: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:38:24 PM

I just want to take this moment to comment on how amusing it is that robotic characters without emotions are always upset over their lack of emotion.

Shifting gears a bit. Anyone think they'll keep the Vision/Wanda romance?

edited 18th Dec '14 3:38:31 PM by Kostya

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23984: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:41:14 PM

He was even married and had kids once (with Scarlet Witch, no less), didn't he? That is before the... er... unpleasantness.

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edited 18th Dec '14 3:41:42 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23985: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:42:33 PM

Vision traditionally has emotions but he's still awkward and doesn't quite get human behavior sometimes, which makes for some humorous moments.

He also doesn't quite get how smiling works.

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#23986: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:43:40 PM

Remember that "dance party" gif that topped a page recently? I found it interesting that it was the same "circling the team" thing as done in the first movie, but four characters were missing: Hulk, Iron Man, Vision and Quicksilver.

Poor Hank Pym. His greatest inventions, and everyone else gets the credit. Man he could be angry. Maybe even angry enough to slap someone.

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#23987: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:46:08 PM

Anyone think they'll keep the Vision/Wanda romance?

IIRC, Wonderman was romancing Wanda, and his brain patterns were used to create Vision. Vision then formed a weird love triangle with Wanda and Wonderman before Wanda and Vision eventually married.

So logically, Vision's going to be in a weird love triangle with Black Widow and the Hulk.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#23988: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:47:23 PM

[up][up] Since Wanda is going to be in Age of Ultron, Vision could very well just have a romance with her without any love triangle. Since we know that initially Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are on Ultron's team, maybe both of them and the Vision all flip sides together.

Vision has Jarvis's voice actor, doesn't he? I'd always assumed Tony's love for Jarvis was so powerful, it would turn him into a sentient robot.

I would speculate that there's definitely going to be some sort of connection between Jarvis and the Vision. But that doesn't mean that Tony Stark will create him directly.

If nothing else, Ultron is likely going to have access to most of Tony's resources and that could very easily include the source code for Jarvis.

edited 18th Dec '14 3:51:28 PM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23989: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:51:11 PM

I found it interesting that it was the same "circling the team" thing as done in the first movie, but four characters were missing: Hulk, Iron Man, Vision and Quicksilver.

It's not really that shocking. Two of them are entirely CGI creations and two of them have powers that are likely going to require a lot of CGI, so those four will likely be added in post-production. I predict Quicksilver zooming up to the group, Vision phasing up through the floor, ect.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23990: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:53:55 PM

It could be interesting for Ultron and Vision to be part of the same project, that Banner and Stark were working on together. Maybe Vision was what Banner had in mind, but they originally scrapped it for Stark's idea to resurrect the Ultron project. Later, Ultron comes across his "brother" and finishes him in his own image, twisting Banner's "vision" into something nasty... until the Heel–Face Turn, that is.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#23991: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:54:48 PM

He probably is using the JARVIS voice to mess with Tony.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23992: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:59:17 PM

Then he does have emotions?

The Vision can be funny like that. His early character development was chock full of him feeling bad about his perceived lack of emotions.

Either sulking or raging because HE IS JUST AN EMOTIONLESS MACHINE. At some point he realized he had the same complement of emotions as anyone else and that he loved Wanda. They got married and for about five minutes they were happy.

And then when Wanda took some time off to sort her head about whether she wanted kids or not, Vision got so lonely without her that he again started claiming he was BUT AN EMOTIONLESS ROBOT I DO NOT GET LONELY, JOCASTA -has a tantrum and breaks the training room-

Unrelated but very early in their relationship, Vision evidently gave Wanda a framed picture of himself with the sternest spock pout he could muster. She kept the picture by her bed anyway.

edited 18th Dec '14 3:59:48 PM by Bocaj

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#23994: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:05:43 PM

What's interesting is I know Whedon has confirmed by now Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will start off on Ultron's side, but I don't know if he's ever said the same for the Vision.

Perhaps he's a last-minute reinforcement Banner starts working on early in the film but doesn't debut until the third act?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23995: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:08:09 PM

Anybody else think the Vision generally behaves more like someone with an autism spectrum disorder than an emotionless being?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23996: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:08:16 PM

I love Vision's robo angst. I really, really do.

I don't even know why Ultron built him with tear glands. Or blah blah human torch whatever.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23997: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:13:34 PM

It'd be neat if Vision and Wanda form a connection, starting under Ultron's employ that doesn't explicitly become romantic until Infinity War or something. Maybe Wanda's powers are the thing that finally break him from Ultron's control, or they simply have chemistry, etc.

I'm currently trying to find a clip on our Tin Man page of Cap giving Vision a "..." face when he angsts about not having emotions.

On a really random note, I just realized that if Marvel does get control of Spidey back the Daredevil show can probably use Ben Urich's nephew Phil (better known as the Hobgoblin who can't decide whether or not he wants to be evil and may or may not work for the Kingpin). This matters next to nothing, but it's still something I was thinking about a while ago that popped back in my head. On the same track of things I was wondering about randomly, also might mean we could get the Janine Thompson version of The Beetle, who I also thought would be pretty cool in the MCU - maybe as another adversary to Daredevil given that they're both lawyers.

Still, that's the main thing that interests me about Spidey being in the MCU - all the characters and elements that may or may not come with him.

edited 18th Dec '14 4:15:21 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23998: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:14:13 PM

[up][up][up]It's funny you say that because that's exactly how I'd characterize it. He doesn't lack emotions he just (Depending on the Writer) has trouble interpreting or responding to them.

edited 18th Dec '14 4:14:31 PM by comicwriter

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#23999: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:29:42 PM

Heroic-ish Phil Urich Hobgoblin would make a good netflix series.

I don't know. Probably should set up the goblins in some sense first.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#24000: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:42:04 PM

I think that Ultron will create a fighter, and then Tony will "defeat" him by adding Jarvis into the mix, thus Vision is born. (I just hope that the destroyed robot in the trailer scene is not vision...that would be upsetting....)


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