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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#23951: Dec 18th 2014 at 8:26:19 AM

Courtesy of that recent Sony hack, we now have some info on what Marvel Studios has planned for Spider-Man if they get him back anytime soon.

The highlights:

  • Rebooting, but not bothering with the origin story. We've seen it twice in over a decade, we don't need to see it again.
  • Indications are that Sony would remain the distributor of Spidey movies, but Marvel would have creative control (much like The Incredible Hulk).
  • First appearance would be a cameo in Captain America: Civil War, as a rookie superhero whom Tony takes under his wing, also meeting Cap and Black Widow.
  • Spidey's solo film (in 2017) would not deal directly with the fallout of Civil War, but it would "exist in a world where that story has happened" and where "superheroes are now divided into two groups."
  • It would also plop Peter back in high school and living under Aunt May's roof, because reboot magic.
  • It would focus primarily on the sacrifices Peter has to make to be a hero, with romance being a minor subplot.
  • The Web-Head would then appear in both parts of The Avengers: Infinity War.
  • Marvel wants a sequel to Spidey's movie sometime in 2019 (it's not stated as to whether they want it before or after Infinity War; my guess is after).
  • Amy Pascal of Sony wants to wait until after Infinity War to introduce Spidey to the MCU.
  • Sony execs seem to think that this will benefit Sony more than it will Marvel. Considering what's happened to Sony lately and how much cash both Marvel Studios and the Spider-Man franchise make, they're probably right.

edited 18th Dec '14 8:36:28 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23953: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:08:50 AM

[up][up]Dear Galactus, I really really really want this to happen. What do you think the odds are Sony will agree to this deal, and when would we the public find out if they did?

edited 18th Dec '14 9:10:25 AM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23954: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:10:34 AM

The whole thing with Marvel is that they're not afraid of getting super colourful and comic-bookish with their costumes.

Well in some cases more than others.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#23955: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:15:03 AM

[up][up] Honestly, given the dire financial straits that Sony's in and their Japanese HQ demanding they get right back in there and make a deal, it seems likely that they'll take it.

As for when we'd find out, I really hope it'll be a surprise. Like Sam Jackson in The Stinger of Iron Man, except for Age of Ultron or Ant-Man.

In fact, I recall a post on 4chan's /co/ board (yes, yes, I know) detailing how it could work. Namely, as The Stinger of Ant-Man, a group of high-schoolers go on a tour of a science lab (which another poster thought could be Pym Technologies, to tie it in to the film as a whole), a kid in the tour group gets bitten by a spider and drops his camera, and our POV zooms in on the camera to see it labelled as belonging to "Peter Parker".

edited 18th Dec '14 9:20:16 AM by TrashJack

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23956: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:20:19 AM

[up]What, so the kid getting bit by a spider wouldn't make it clear enough that it's Peter? Do we need to add some big bold letters at the end reading "THE SPIDER BITE GAVE HIM POWERS, AND NOW HE WILL BECOME SPIDER-MAN!"

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23957: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:20:27 AM

[up]I think a likely chance is Age of Ultron. Since we've had it confirmed we're getting an altered Avengers roster and there's a consistent rumor that The movie ends with Cap forming a new team of Avengers outright you could have a small cameo from Spider-Man that way.

It's good that the alleged Civil War cameo would be just that, a cameo, because rewriting scripts heavily this late in the game is never a good sign.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23958: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:33:34 AM

wild mass guessOnce Sony accepts the deal, the higher-ups at Disney will do some Executive Meddling, such as choosing the new actor and making the Spider-Man reboot about Nick Fury putting him onto a team with other teenage heroes.wild mass guess

UPDATE: Upon further reflection, I can think of one upside to this scenario.

edited 18th Dec '14 9:37:43 AM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
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#23959: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:37:48 AM

wild mass guessMarvel will then sabotage the film by making one of the kids Teen Tony.wild mass guess

Alternately

wild mass guessMarvel will use this terrible premise as an excuse to make a Runaways film.wild mass guess

edited 18th Dec '14 9:39:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23960: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:39:18 AM

wild mass guessAnd adding cartoony cutaways every two minutes.wild mass guess

edited 18th Dec '14 9:39:46 AM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#23961: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:51:06 AM

Although I like Spider-Man, in an indirect way, my dislike of the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon/inclusion of that Spider-Man in MCU-related animated stuff has kind of soured me on the idea of seeing Spidey in the MCU (although I would think that Peter probably would be a relative peer of the rest of the cast and not a kid if he was included in the films).

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Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#23962: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:03:44 AM

Maybe Peter could've been bitten about ten years ago, but he always kept it a secret. Then he finds out about The Avengers and starts superheroing.

Sing the song of sixpence that goes burn the witch, we know where you live
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23963: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:21:17 AM

The last news from the Sony leak is Marvel wants relatable teen Spidey again.

edited 18th Dec '14 10:21:29 AM by comicwriter

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Funny but not helpful
#23964: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:22:59 AM

Marvellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#23966: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:24:25 AM

I bet its Galactus

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23967: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:24:46 AM

If they reboot either way, I would like a Peter Parker who is as young as possible. But honestly, there is no reason to rush his introduction...if they had planned to keep Garfield, then they would have had to hurry up a little bit, but since they won't either way, I am totally okay with waiting a little bit.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#23969: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:28:00 AM

[up][up][up]The funniest theory I've heard so far is that Star-Lord's father is Captain EO.

edited 18th Dec '14 10:29:14 AM by Tuckerscreator

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#23970: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:29:51 AM

[up]What.

I note that the list included J'Son. So it's probably not J'Son.

[down]Oh, okay then.

edited 18th Dec '14 10:39:55 AM by wanderlustwarrior

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23971: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:32:11 AM

He's said several times now J'Son is not Star-Lord's dad.

[up][up]LMAO.

edited 18th Dec '14 10:32:23 AM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#23972: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:38:32 AM

For those of you who don't know who Martinex on that list is, he's one of the original Guardians from the future.

He's currently active in the Guardians 3000 comic book with most of his original team.

edited 18th Dec '14 10:44:04 AM by LordofLore

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#23973: Dec 18th 2014 at 10:41:21 AM

Personally hoping for Luke Skywalker.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#23974: Dec 18th 2014 at 2:28:06 PM

According to AMC it looks like they'll be sticking a little closer to the comics when it comes to the Vision's origin story in Age of Ultron. (can't post a link right now since I just set up my forum account, but it's on their youtube channel).

I had heard reports that Vision was also going to be created by Tony Stark in the MCU, and of the two options I perfer Ultron being the one to build him. Admittedly, I'm not terribly familiar with the comics, but I love the idea of Ultron betraying his creator only to in turn be betrayed by his own creation.

Ideally it won't be a case of the Vision being reprogrammed or just magically overcoming Ultron's programming. I'd love to see a situation where it's Ultron's programming of the Vision in itself that causes the shift. The idea I'm thinking of is that while Ultron believes exterminating humankind is the path to peace, while the Vision runs the same calculations and realizes that peace on a grander scale in the long run requires humanity's continued existence.

edited 18th Dec '14 2:30:18 PM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23975: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:15:43 PM

Mark Ruffalo actually indicated Banner creates Vision or at least has a role in his creation.

He is so dope. And he’s my baby. Yeah, he’s pretty incredible,” Ruffalo told Slash Film.


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