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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23801: Dec 14th 2014 at 4:50:45 PM

Why does Miles Morales have to be Hispanic Spider-man?

Because, unfortunately, that's what he is if he you're not giving him what makes him a unique, individual character from Peter Parker. As we've been noting a lot on the past page or so, Peter Parker as Spider-Man is super iconic - Peter Parker is Spider-Man to most non-comic fans: in the opposite of a lot of the reactions people would have to other character, people are by and large unaware that there even are alternate Spider-Men while pop culture has internalized Peter. So unlike some less well known characters, he's not a character where you can just use a legacy character as if they were the main version without people noticing (contrast Captain Marvel - people don't really know either Mar-Vell or Carol outside the comics, so the average viewer is thankfully not going to think of Carol as "the girl Captain Marvel").

This is particularly important because, again, Miles would get very few opportunities to express himself as a character. John Stewart had a whole television series to establish himself in the public eye as a separate GL from Hal. Miles, if he does enter the MCU, won't have that luxury because there's just no time to really develop him extensively.

Plus, from a characterization standpoint, if Miles is just written as Peter without the things that make Miles' experience as Spider-Man unique, then you're not adapting Miles - you're adapting Peter Parker as a Hispanic kid named Miles Morales. It's like if you adapt Dick Grayson as , but because people always use Dick Grayson you just call him Tim Drake. This probably won't have as much of an effect as Spidey (since Robin hasn't appeared in a feature film in, like, ever), but it would still be a shame not using some of the qualities that make Tim a fun and interesting character in his own right.

edited 14th Dec '14 4:56:10 PM by KnownUnknown

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#23802: Dec 14th 2014 at 4:53:54 PM

I think that I would rather have Peter be in Civil War and maybe participate in Infinity War and then have a complete movie with Miles afterwards, be it from Marvel or whoever. They would have Peter in the cameo with no backstory and set the stage for Miles later on.

edited 14th Dec '14 4:55:54 PM by LordVatek

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GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#23803: Dec 14th 2014 at 4:55:30 PM

Wow, I'm sorry for starting such a big argument. Though, I have to agree with the one poster above that the movies are an AU of the comics. Hell, I have voiced on other message boards that I'm annoyed at Marvel for having a Multiverse, where by definition it would be a place of infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Instead it is mostly alternate timelines and retreads slavishly sticking to 616 ad infinitum. I just feel that Miles would be a fresh new take to see instead of yet another Peter Parker "with great power comes great responsibility" movie. If i wanted to see that I have 5 others of various quality I could see or some really good cartoons.

edited 14th Dec '14 4:56:54 PM by GoukaRyuu

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23804: Dec 14th 2014 at 5:00:50 PM

[up]x5 Oh ho ho, I've got some bad news for you, Miles has a love interest, too, and she's even less tolerable than Ultimate Mary Jane! Though she's also a Hydra agent or something, so that's pretty interesting. Still, I can't stand the way Miles waltzed up to Mary Jane and was all like, "I think I'm in wuv with a girl, but I'm scared to tell her my secret idenity, I'm confused and need you to tell me exactly what Peter did so I can copy him. Waaaah!"

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23805: Dec 14th 2014 at 5:01:22 PM

I sense that you do not like Miles.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#23806: Dec 14th 2014 at 5:02:33 PM

[up][up]Actually, a girlfriend who is a Hydra agent has the potential to be a very interesting plot thread.

edited 14th Dec '14 5:02:49 PM by LordVatek

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23807: Dec 14th 2014 at 5:03:05 PM

[up][up]Well, okay, he's not the worst thing to happen to Spider-Man...

[up]Doesn't seem to have much impact on her personality, though. She still seems like a typical teenage girl, but maybe the writers will surprise us, I don't know.

edited 14th Dec '14 5:04:42 PM by spashthebandragon

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czhang from Canada Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#23808: Dec 14th 2014 at 5:48:20 PM

She's Kate Fucking Bishop, so if they were adapting her they could mix-and-match from her Ultimate personality and her 616 personality. On that note, she's Kate Fucking Bishop as raised by Hydra agents so I'm pretty sure she'll surprise us in the next couple issues. Plus, it clearly does impact her personality, it's just that Kate is too much of a hardass to let it show in mundane life.

edited 14th Dec '14 5:49:21 PM by czhang

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23809: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:23:38 PM

[up]Oh, whoops, I had no idea that was a preexisting character. Sorry. I thought she was one of the (painfully few) characters from Miles's supporting cast original to his own comic.

edited 14th Dec '14 6:24:14 PM by spashthebandragon

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#23810: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:41:31 PM

I'm okay with using Miles or just making Peter Hispanic, because at the end of the day that's the real reason this argument is so heated. One or the other would suffice the need.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23811: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:48:20 PM

[up]Are you saying this is a race thing? I don't care if they make Spider-Man's skin neon green so long as the movie is good. I just want to see the character I like (Peter Parker, or at least Miles with the overall personality of Peter I guess) in a good movie, having a well-written character arc and cracking witty one-liners.

Though I do have to wonder how well-recieved Miles would've been if he was white like Peter. No, wait, that's happened before.

edited 14th Dec '14 6:48:31 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#23812: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:52:40 PM

Ben Reilly was great and people liked him.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#23813: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:56:48 PM

[up]Sorry, I know, didn't mean to imply otherwise. The Clone Saga he came from, on the other hand...

Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind seeing Ultimate Spider-Woman in the movies. It'd be a little weird, though. Ooh, and they could cast a cross-dressing Andrew Garfield!

edited 14th Dec '14 6:58:16 PM by spashthebandragon

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#23814: Dec 14th 2014 at 7:42:43 PM

I'm a Peter Parker fan on the Spidey front and I don't think he has ever been faithfully adapted. Maybe it's just my fan-ness talking but Maguire didn't have either side of the coin exactly right. His Peter never gained the aloof confidence of his comic book counterpart. Garfield felt like a combination of Peter and the 10th doctor with way too much nervy ness. Neither Spidey has matched the madcap motormouth that is Peter Parker's Spider-man.

I think using Miles Morales would be an unnecessary move.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#23815: Dec 14th 2014 at 8:11:28 PM

She's Kate Fucking Bishop

Wait... Miles' girlfriend is Duchess Kate having sex with Bishop from X Men? I can't even imagine the rights battle there.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#23816: Dec 14th 2014 at 9:35:28 PM

So, I take it we've spent the last three pages arguing over Spider-Man being shoved into the MCU because he's Marvel's Batman or something (Saying it based on popularity and how he seems to be the posterchild of the franchise).

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#23817: Dec 14th 2014 at 9:36:53 PM

No, we instead spent those pages discussing if Spider-Man gets shoved into the MCU whether or not it should be Miles Morales instead.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#23818: Dec 14th 2014 at 9:40:10 PM

It'd be someone new and the name "Spider-Man" itself can be used right?

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#23819: Dec 14th 2014 at 9:42:16 PM

Something something mainstream something something legacy something something doesn't deserve it something something,.

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TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#23820: Dec 14th 2014 at 10:11:46 PM

[up][up][up] I suggest using Supaidaman instead. He has a giant robot.

edited 14th Dec '14 10:12:58 PM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#23821: Dec 14th 2014 at 10:14:46 PM

Our focus groups suggest that chicks dig giant robots.

edited 14th Dec '14 10:14:57 PM by SonOfSharknado

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#23822: Dec 14th 2014 at 10:16:03 PM

[up]Nice.

[up][up]Huh. Supaidaman had the very first Megazord...

tenebrousgaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#23823: Dec 14th 2014 at 11:24:36 PM

^ Actually more accurate than it seems. Marvel had a fairly big hand in the first few Super Sentai and Leopardon was the proof that giant robots worked.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#23824: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:42:55 AM

You know, movies are long enough that we can have our cake and it here, guys.

Start the film a Cold Open. No origin story, no explanation, here's Spider-Man fighting... The Shocker, whoever. Does pretty good. Goes home, unmasks, he's Peter Parker. Establish that he's been in the game for a few years. But have him pick up on something. Some sort of plot, some sort mystery involving some of Peter's villains.
The secondary plot shows the origins of Miles Morales. He's a teenage kid who looks up to Spider-Man. We show the accident that gives him his powers, and we show him decided to not go into superheroism. Show the reasonable arguments against him going into it. Make us understand this decision.

Peter continues to investigate. We like him. We introduce his supporting characters, he continues investigating into the mystery. And then, at the top of the second act: he dies. Peter Parker sacrifices his life to save people.

Show the impact on Miles. Have him say something in the effect of "If I had taken up superheroing, I could've been there, I could have saved him, but I didn't realise that With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility."

He picks up on Peter's investigation, finds his notes on it, comes to the same conclusion he did. Training Montage, Final Battle.

Sequel goes into Miles' interactions between him and Peter's supporting cast.

MiscellaneousSoup (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#23825: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:55:39 AM

I remember reading about a cancelled Spider-Man film that would have his origin take place only in the opening credits.


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