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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#23601: Dec 12th 2014 at 1:55:53 PM

Or, you know, talking about their feelings. No characters ever do that, no way.

edited 12th Dec '14 1:56:11 PM by TenebrousGaze

kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23602: Dec 12th 2014 at 1:57:04 PM

What you described would probably be seen as a Friends with Benefits scenario by most. Unless the character or creator explicitly confirms this you can't really be 100% sure what they think.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23603: Dec 12th 2014 at 1:58:41 PM

[up]They could say so! Explicitly! I mean, I understand it seems weird to folks because no one goes around talking about how straight they are, but a- spectrum stuff actually requires explanation for a lot of people due to, again, the extreme lack of exposure to the idea most people have. All you need is for one character to get confused about why your a- character is disinterested in sex/romance, and then have your a- character explain it to them. Easy.

edited 12th Dec '14 1:59:05 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#23604: Dec 12th 2014 at 1:58:57 PM

It would be incredibly easy for them to outright state it though.

kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23605: Dec 12th 2014 at 2:00:41 PM

Oh I know they could. I'm just pointing out that unless it is explicitly stated that probably isn't what's going on despite what evidence there might be.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#23607: Dec 12th 2014 at 2:05:02 PM

Its weird that sex and hooking up are the only ways for a character to be interesting.

I would think that wouldn't be the case.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23608: Dec 12th 2014 at 2:07:21 PM

You would think the fact that we're watching a show which embellishes all of this over people killing each other in exotic locations while struggling with familial, friendly, and adversary relationships and also occasionally being robots and superhumans would prove otherwise.

Huh.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23609: Dec 12th 2014 at 2:11:46 PM

I'm not trying to make an issue out of it. My logic is this:

Writers figure audiences will assume characters are vaguely Christian cisheterosexuals unless stated otherwise. 90+% of the time someone that doesn't fit this definition will draw attention to it in the work. Since May hasn't done so it's highly likely this applies to her and if it doesn't this should be made clear somehow.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23610: Dec 12th 2014 at 2:17:54 PM

[up]Yeah—as mentioned, I'm expecting May to be alloromantic. I'm hoping she's not, but not expecting.

(Alloromantic is the opposite of aromantic, in case folks can't tell from context. I know I was thrown for a loop when I heard allosexual for the first time.)

edited 12th Dec '14 2:19:05 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23611: Dec 12th 2014 at 2:52:52 PM

Okay....maybe an odd thing to be hang up about, but where does this coming from that Joss Whedon doesn't know what a Bi Character is? If I remember correctly Willow had a relationship with Oz, and then with Tara, and while she was with Tara there was an episode in which Oz came back and they had a talk in which she basically said that she really loved him, but he went away, and so they grew too much apart for her to give up Tara for him. Isn't that pretty much bi?

And concerning Ao S, what about Fitz oogling Mack while still being broken up about Simmons? What about the Simmons nearly salivating over Bobby? While there is nothing official in the show itself yet, they basically threw the doors wide open and said: Have fun, you can ship whoever you want with each other.

[up][up]May mentioned that she was married in the past, and the way she worded it, it sounded like it was a guy.

edited 12th Dec '14 2:54:07 PM by swanpride

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23613: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:04:46 PM

[up]Yeah if he's gonna be at Civil War at this point it's gonna be a glorified cameo. I can't imagine completely rewriting the entire script so close to the start date.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23614: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:13:59 PM

[up][up][up]Re: Willow: The show doesn't deny that Willow loved Oz at the time, but it does make it so that she's no longer attracted to boys at all going forwards. Not even Xander, whom she's crushed on in the past and is still around. And don't get me wrong, that can happen—sexuality is fluid, after all. But a lot of people felt it was a huge missed opertunity to have a bi lead character on television, and that Willow's switch didn't come from an understanding of sexuality so much as it did from a limited view of it.

Fitz and Simons may well be bi. It'd be nice for them to confirm that, though, otherwise they're just one-off jokes.

[up][up]That article cites the Latino Review. When will people learn to stop doing that?

edited 12th Dec '14 3:17:29 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23615: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:17:18 PM

Ken Watanabe, Morgan Freeman, and Bill Nighy (??) are being looked at for the Ancient One.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23616: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:18:33 PM

[up]I want to be angry they're considering Bill Nighy for a Tibetan role but I can't bring myself to do it! Bill Nighy is just too great!

edited 12th Dec '14 3:19:31 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#23617: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:19:19 PM

[up]Not complaining about Morgan Freeman?

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23618: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:20:06 PM

[up]I thought it said Martin Freeman at first.

But yeah, Morgan Freeman is...slightly less bad, but still bad.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23619: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:21:30 PM

[up][up]They shouldn't be casting a non-Asian actor period but of all the choices Bill Nighy strikes me as the most random.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#23620: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:22:20 PM

I really don't want them to pick Morgan Freeman. I am so tired of him being the generic exposition man.

My various fanfics.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23621: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:22:51 PM

For fuck's sake Marvel. You have so few Asian characters to begin with. We don't need racelifts right now.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#23622: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:23:18 PM

It's gotten to the point where his character in The Lego Movie was built pretty much to lampshade that.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23623: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:25:03 PM

[up][up]Yeah I'm just looking at this and going "Why?"

And I say that as someone who generally likes Freeman and Nighy in what I've seen them in.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23624: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:39:36 PM

Freeman's okay.

Bill Nighy made the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy movie watchable, and for that I am eternally in his debt. (He was one of the best parts of The World's End as well.)

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#23625: Dec 12th 2014 at 3:51:04 PM

I'd like Takeshi Kitano for the part.

edited 12th Dec '14 3:51:38 PM by GethKnight


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