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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#23526: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:02:45 PM

Why did Reed need to stretch his neck so much just to shrug?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23527: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:24:42 PM

Is he saying that in regards to setting up Infinity War, or in regards to the Guardians being in Infinity War?

If it's the former, perfectly fine, as well as being nothing new. If it's the latter... then I think he's really underestimating the scope of the Infinity Gauntlet and the fact that it will threaten the entire universe, and that if keeping them separate from Infinity War is a goal, it might not have been a good idea to have one of the Guardians be Thanos's adopted daughter, or to have one of the Guardians turn their attention to Thanos at the end of the movie. Because that gives people the expectation that they're going to be involved in the upcoming conflict.

We've been over that quote before, and yeah: in context he seemed to be specifically talking about the plot of Guardians 2 setting up Infinity War'' (that is, that Guardians 2 will be about something new and different, and not be limited to being an Infinity War tie in).

Out of context it looks different than it does in context. At this point, it's safe to say he's not talking about the Guardians themselves being in or out of Infinity War the movie - which is still likely, given that that claim wouldn't even make much sense in that context. Infinity War is looking to explicitly be an intergalactic conflict.

edited 11th Dec '14 6:35:50 PM by KnownUnknown

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23528: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:25:40 PM

Well...galactic conflict, anyway. As pointed out earlier, we don't know if Xandar is in the same galaxy as Earth or not.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23529: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:26:46 PM

True. Now that I think about it, there's nothing to say Asgard is in the Milky Way either.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23530: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:28:26 PM

Asgard is explicitly another realm, isn't it? Like, I was under the impression that the Nine Realms didn't occupy the same physical plane. Or was I mistaken?

khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#23531: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:31:27 PM

There's nothing to say that they don't. In fact, when Thor and Malekith were warping around, the fact that Mjolnir started flying around to get back to him indicates that they must be physically connected in some way.

Ultimately, I think the "Nine Realms" are just nine particular planets that are somehow connected through... whatever Yggdrasil is.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23532: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:31:30 PM

No clue. We'd have to get a better look at how the map of the nine realms overlays the universe itself. I wouldn't put it past some of the nine realms being in the same galaxy as others (like Hogun's home and Asgard, or the dwarves' homeworld), but who knows if that applies to Earth or if Midgard is all by itself on its lonesome.

edited 11th Dec '14 6:31:51 PM by KnownUnknown

GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#23533: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:32:17 PM

[up]It's one of those things Marvel never really explains too much. Honestly, while i would prefer if the nine realms were all in the same dimension just interconnected by Yggdrasil but would be able to buy the idea of 9 different physical realms in the same universe all interconnected together.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23534: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:33:41 PM

khfan: That seems reasonable, but considering it's supposed to represent all of creation, it's either not the case, or Asgard seriously dropped the fucking ball when they were coming up with their entire concept of the universe. Like, you'd think they'd notice the other planets that exist.

khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#23535: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:36:42 PM

[up]Why? Considering the Asgardians are ancient, and also explicitly not gods, it's entirely possible that their concept of the universe was made a long, long time ago, when the only thing they had to go off of was Yggdrasil's path because they probably didn't have the means to travel through space any other way.

Even in modern day, they probably still think that these nine planets must be special, especially if we assume that there's nothing else like Yggdrasil around. They may not be gods, but they are still a fairly proud people.

edited 11th Dec '14 6:37:18 PM by khfan429

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23536: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:42:39 PM

I initially figured the nine realms were more a map of the nine places of of greatest significance to Asgard: the homeworlds of beings most known to them. Their archenemies, the Jotun. Their close allies, the dwarves. The fallen race of elves. The land of the dead (who knows how Marvels going to spin that, if at all). Midgard, where the writers live. Etc.

Kind of like how some antique maps center the world on places most notable to their home culture and are kind of meh on everything else.

However, the way it's visualized in the movies makes a good case for them being extremely far removed from each other. Kinda makes you wonder how long Asgard's had the Bifrost - if everything is really that far away, that would mean Asgard has had Bifrost access for as long as they've had their mythology.

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#23537: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:48:56 PM

Why did Reed need to stretch his neck so much just to shrug?

Because the writers need to remember the readers Reed actually have a super power besides "super smarts".tongue Really, though, stretching unnecessarily is just a thing he does. Every other panel he will be stretching seemingly at random.

About galaxies. In the comics there are, indeed, multiple galaxies besides Milk Way. The multiple race of Space Empires, such as the Kree and the Skrulls, each control multiple of them. Maybe MCU will fix this bit of silliness and remember a single Galaxy is enough for everything they might ever need.

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#23538: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:55:04 PM

They've toned the power level down quite a bit, they might do the same with the scale

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#23539: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:00:33 PM

The MCU doesn't have to deal with Galactus destroying a tenth of a galaxy every time someone tries to steal his powers. They should be fine with 2.

Do we know what Cosmic Empires Marvel can use in the movies? The new Nova Empire might be a replacement for one they can't use.

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#23540: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:07:29 PM

@9 realms: At first I thought they were alternate dimensions that were completely separate from one another and could only be reached through the Bifrost. Then Thor 2 came out. In that movie Thor's hammer acts like there's a longer way to get between Earth and Svartalfheim so evidently they are in the same universe. My guess is that the 9 realms are 9 planets(possibly in different galaxies) that are in the same universe but separated by distances that would make conventional travel impractical hence the use of the Bifrost. As for why they chose those 9 planets I'm not sure. If we assume Yggdrassil is some kind of galactic cluster those 9 planets may be arranged in such a way that makes them ideal travel points.

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#23541: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:13:26 PM

They have the Chitauri out there somewhere.

They may not be able to use the Skrulls or the Shi'ar due to association with FF and X-Men.

The Badoon should be good? (Maybe not. Their first appearance was in Silver Surfer)

The Spartoi as well, if they want to do anything with them.

Machine race Phalanx maybe (Appeared in an X-Men comic first. Wow, between the FF and X-Men they scoop up all the good aliens)

edited 11th Dec '14 7:16:24 PM by Bocaj

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23542: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:14:46 PM

They do not have the Skrulls. That's why we they did the Chitauri.

And the Badoon are also out (tied to the Silver Surfer rights over at Fox), which is why Guardians used the Sakaaran.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23543: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:23:17 PM

And of course we have the Kree out there being jackasses as usual.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23544: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:47:13 PM

They're such assholes!

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#23545: Dec 11th 2014 at 9:05:40 PM

Why did Reed need to stretch his neck so much just to shrug?

Reed randomly flexes his powerset for no reason all the time. It's pretty distracting.

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#23546: Dec 11th 2014 at 9:06:57 PM

[up] Personally, I think it might be that it makes him less of a dick when he does that, but don't quote me.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23547: Dec 11th 2014 at 9:16:34 PM

"Oh, look at me, I'm discovering new branches of science and I've got the super-long neck to prove it!"

edited 11th Dec '14 9:17:00 PM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23548: Dec 11th 2014 at 9:44:39 PM

He really sticks his neck out for his work

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#23549: Dec 11th 2014 at 11:03:37 PM

wild mass guessThe Scarlet Witch will make a cameo appearance on Agents Of SHIELD, where she'll make Skye Quake like a Daisy by giving her a guilt Tripp.wild mass guess

edited 11th Dec '14 11:04:26 PM by GaryCXJk

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#23550: Dec 12th 2014 at 4:15:07 AM

"Oh, look at me, I'm discovering new branches of science and I've got the super-long neck to prove it!"

If Victor Domashev Doctor Doom was ever asked to do an impression of Reed Richards, this should be it.


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