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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#23451: Dec 9th 2014 at 10:11:38 PM

Not really, considering Cap's the only superhero in it. Iron Man 2 is more The Avengers 0.5.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#23452: Dec 9th 2014 at 10:12:05 PM

No, since it only sets up the Tesseract. Thor would be .5, Cap would be .75.

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#23453: Dec 9th 2014 at 10:13:07 PM

Or we could say every film before The Avengers was The Avengers 0.2. tongue

edited 9th Dec '14 10:13:17 PM by Tuckerscreator

WarriorEowyn from Victoria Since: Oct, 2010
#23454: Dec 9th 2014 at 10:20:32 PM

Yeah, all of the Phase I movies contributed to building up The Avengers in some way, though I'd say that Captain America The First Avenger and Thor were the most important ones, for introducing the Tesseract and the villain. The others aren't as important for understanding the key elements of the Avengers (Stark's pretty clearly "cocky rich smart guy in an armour suit" from his first scene in The Avengers; watching his movies isn't really necessary for understanding his character in The Avengers, and the existence of SHIELD doesn't require an explanation - tons of movies have a Men-in-Black style government organization).

Iron Man 3 (in terms of Stark moving away from a day-to-day focus on the suits) and The Winter Soldier (in terms of removing SHIELD as a global security force) are the main Phase 2 films building up to Stark's decision to create Ultron as an alternative measure for global security. Thor 2 doesn't seem relevant to Age of Ultron; it's focused towards the longer story of the Infinity Stones, as is Guardians Of The Galaxy.

Cap 3 will be dealing with fallout from Age of Ultron; most of the rest of the Phase 3 films seem likely to involve the Infinity Stones to some degree.

edited 9th Dec '14 10:21:43 PM by WarriorEowyn

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23456: Dec 10th 2014 at 1:44:33 AM

I am very disappointed that the talks concerning Spider-man fell through...did anyone say why? Well, at least the concept is a cooperation is not as far-fetched as some people claimed it to be. On the other hand, though, I like the current version of Spider-Man, and if Marvel had insisted on a new Spider-Man, I would have been broken up, too.

And now that the Inhumans of officially arrived in the Ao S, hopefully the show will have an even larger role than so far.

edited 10th Dec '14 2:10:11 AM by swanpride

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#23457: Dec 10th 2014 at 4:42:24 AM

So, I haven't seen the latest Ao S but, I never have spoilers blocked because I have to use my phone a lot so... Yeah, I was really really hoping Tripp wouldn't go so soon, or at all.

They have screwed over every dark-skinned good guy in the show. Again. I thought Deathlok was awful but at least he was released from his bondage to the enemy and we got Tripp who was a cool dude. This is like a really really bad joke about black dudes dying first in a horror movie. I thought we really had something with this growing cast of characters.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23458: Dec 10th 2014 at 5:53:09 AM

[up] I think the actor was offered a regular role in another show.

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#23460: Dec 10th 2014 at 6:31:49 AM

^ Yes, as far as we know. Last scene with him was him falling to his knees after being released from control after he was no longer needed to defend the temple.

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#23461: Dec 10th 2014 at 7:16:32 AM

It's not the webs so much as the acrobatics and fight scenes. People are used to very high intensity CGI fights from the character and trying to do that on a TV budget would be a big step down.

This. His flexibility, agility, webs, and wall-sticking give him a largely three-dimensional fighting style in which he is rarely just standing on the ground punching someone, and trying to portray that fighting style in a moving medium is hard.

A major element of Spidey is the inhuman way he moves. An unfortunate fact of Spidey is that inhuman methods of moving are very difficult to manage in live-action without loads and loads of CGI. Big-budget Hollywood flicks have trouble getting Spidey to actually move like a spider rather than some schlub on a zipline; good luck with a TV serial.

edited 10th Dec '14 7:18:20 AM by TobiasDrake

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#23462: Dec 10th 2014 at 8:47:35 AM

Ao S stuff: Mack's okay!? Well it's still a shame about Tripp, he was the closest thing the team had Grant and while they have a multitude of badass ladies to compensate, it'll be a shame to know that he's gone. I'll be able to catch up on the episode when I get home on the 18th or 19th so... I can't wait to see how this Inhuman stuff is playing out. But I'm glad Mack's apparently okay.

I'm fine with Spidey not having involvement. Things are fine as is. Also Tobias brings up a good point. It's definitely why we won't be seeing a Spidey live action TV show any time soon. Good thing he tends to have cool animated series.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23463: Dec 10th 2014 at 9:29:13 AM

Another thing to consider is how it would work from a narrative perspective. It'd be awesome to have some integration, but just for Civil War? Perhaps the most important hitch up with such a thing is that having Spider-Man just show up and reveal his identity or make an impassioned speech wouldn't amount to much, because Spider-Man hasn't been involved in the MCU and we have no real context for how his existence in the universe. This isn't even a character introduction issue, like with DC's movies, it's a "we haven't seen Spidey effected by Ultron, or the invasion, or anything - he's not a part of the universe, so him chiming in on the universe's issues don't matter much."

Which means his own movies themselves would have to be effected and tie completely into the MCU for that to even matter (which Sony absolutely disagreed with, I'm guessing), and that the tie in itself would have to be developed before Civil War to have maximum effect (which Sony wouldn't be able to do either way, I'm guessing).

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#23464: Dec 10th 2014 at 9:38:38 AM

Still happy Spider-Man has nothing to do with the MCU.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23465: Dec 10th 2014 at 10:18:53 AM

The last shot of Mack was actually him and Coulson reacting to the earthquake caused by the Diviner's activation. It appears that the temple turned him into some kind of guard/guide, and then released him once he was no longer needed.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#23466: Dec 10th 2014 at 1:56:09 PM

After seeing last night's episode, I jauntily laugh in the face of everyone who passed off Agents Of SHIELD as being "100% totally needless" to watch the MCU films.

I'd say it's more 50-50 now

edited 10th Dec '14 1:59:05 PM by Mattonymy

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#23467: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:03:27 PM

Did anybody still think that? I thought those complaints went away for the most part after Hydra got involved. It's still not my favorite superhero show but it's a lot better than when it started out.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23468: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:05:18 PM

[up]Well it was more or less the opposite. The movies affected it but not vice versa. Something as huge as what we got last night was kind of unprecedented.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#23469: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:06:10 PM

No, you still don't have to watch Agents of Shield to understand the movies, that hasn't changed.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#23470: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:06:52 PM

[up][up][up]You'd be surprised how many people went "Ooh, AOS can't do such and such because the films need to do it first!" or "AOS is just a reactive show that merely dips into the MCU's film franchise occassionally" or "No, the creators are trying to do their own thing with the show and not have it introduce new elements".

[up]I'd say fifty-fifty. You don't have to watch the show to understand the movies, but it will definitely explain things a lot earlier. I can just imagine Marvel coming out with another GOTG film that just drops the audience into the action, while the whole thing is set up in AOS.

edited 10th Dec '14 2:09:23 PM by Mattonymy

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23471: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:07:35 PM

That wasn't the fans that was the creators themselves saying they weren't allowed to do certain things until the movies did them. That was one of their excuses for the low quality of Season 1.

edited 10th Dec '14 2:07:42 PM by comicwriter

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#23472: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:08:09 PM

[up][up]That's a fake laugh.

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#23473: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:08:39 PM

It's Real!

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#23475: Dec 10th 2014 at 2:14:20 PM

Nope, it's the most real, authentic, hysterical laugh I have had this week because now no MCU fan has a good excuse NOT to watch this awesome show.

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