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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#23301: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:01:20 AM

Alright. That's a lot better than I thought.

Still messed up they had one of their black heroes specifically start saying "fuck human rights," but at least there's better context than "Power made Sam crazy"

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Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#23302: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:02:43 AM

On the bright side, at least they didn't make Sam become a pimp.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23303: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:03:19 AM

The thing is that the movies dictate the mainstream. I am ready to bet that Nick Fury will be black into all eternity because his first successful movie incarnation was Samuel L. Jackson.

I think the gender and racebend works with Characters who lesser know for the general public, but with Superman, Captain America, Spider-man aso you'll never able to truly change the perception of them...just like Sherlock Holmes is for most people the guy with the deerstalker, despite the fact that the best adaptations all get it right and don't portray him constantly with him.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23304: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:03:40 AM

Apparently Steve has also gone a bit bonkers and Tony was last seen ranting in a cage that THEY'LL COME CRAWLING BACK YOU'LL SEE YOU'LL ALL SEE

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Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#23305: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:08:02 AM

What's weird is that (note, getting this from online discussions and such) it's kind of inconsistent. Tony is basically himself but absent his good qualities and with his bad ones Up To Eleven. For the most part, the villains (especially Hobgoblin and Carnage) are the same people but with good impulses replacing or suppressing their bad ones.

On the other hand, most of the heroes were just turned into dog-kicking loons, especially Sam (and the X Men are now mutant suppremacist Nazis which caused Magneto to thoroughly Heel–Face Turn on account of Your Approval Fills Me with Shame.

edited 5th Dec '14 11:10:56 AM by Hodor

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23306: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:11:07 AM

It seems that it would have been better if this had not been a big event. Instead being a smaller crossover thing.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#23307: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:12:17 AM

You realize you just said to not do a huge event. In 2014.

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Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#23308: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:12:44 AM

I think the problem is that while there were some clever ideas in terms of changing Tony, Hobgoblin, and Carnage, an Excuse Plot was necessary to make those changes, and the way they went about changing other characters was not so inspired to say the least.

edited 5th Dec '14 11:13:20 AM by Hodor

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#23309: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:14:08 AM

That's what it was before Marvel decided they need 2 "EARTH SHATTERING" events a year. Next year is Secret Wars and Ultron Forever(because they need to tie the movies to the comics somehow).

Edit: Inverted!Loki is pretty good. Helps that he still thinks mostly the same way and has doubts about being completly changed(unlike most villains he actually has a pretty good heart). The biggest change to him is that he doesn't want to put people into danger and can't lie.

edited 5th Dec '14 11:16:35 AM by LordofLore

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#23310: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:14:49 AM

[up][up][up] They could have done something else.

Although their events seem to be very hit and miss and miss recently.

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#23311: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:19:53 AM

The last really great event was probably Chaos War or The Thanos Imperative.

[down]Edit: The Thanos parts were alright but the space stuff(which was most of it)was almost all crap.

[down][down]It's Dn A!Guardians of the Galaxy-era cosmic stuff. All cosmic events were good during that era(Annihilation, Conquest, War/Realm of Kings and ending that era of cosmic Marvel, The Thanos Imperiative).

edited 5th Dec '14 11:32:29 AM by LordofLore

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#23312: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:22:03 AM

I heard good things about Infinity.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23313: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:23:07 AM

I did like the Thanos Imperative, I'll admit.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23314: Dec 5th 2014 at 1:00:33 PM

I just got back from an interview with some comic-shop people where I was told Marvel crossovers are their biggest sellers beside The Walking Dead.

Why the hell do people keep buying them?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23316: Dec 5th 2014 at 1:05:57 PM

I guess people just really love zombies.

Personally I think they're overdone :p

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23317: Dec 5th 2014 at 1:39:06 PM

Marvel has confirmed Krysten Ritter as Jessica Jones. No link because I'm on a phone.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23318: Dec 5th 2014 at 1:48:24 PM

Marvel has confirmed Ritter as Jones and released a synopsis:

Marvel and Netflix are proud to announce that Krysten Ritter will star in "Marvel's A.K.A. Jessica Jones," an all-new 13-episode series premiering on Netflix in 2015 following "Marvel's Daredevil."

Ritter will play Jessica Jones, first introduced in writer Brian Michael Bendis and artist Michael Gaydos' classic ALIAS comic series. After a tragic ending to her short-lived Super Hero stint, Jones is rebuilding her personal life and career as a detective who gets pulled into cases involving people with extraordinary abilities in New York City.

"Krysten brings both the hard edge and the vulnerability the role demands," said Executive Producer/Showrunner Melissa Rosenberg. "We can't wait for fans to see her in action, coming to Netflix in 2015."

"Krysten Ritter has the type of range, spanning the comic to the tragic, that makes for the stuff of the best Marvel heroes," said Jeph Loeb, Executive Producer/Marvel's Head of Television. "As Jessica Jones, Krysten will bring one of the most beloved new characters of the past decade to life in a way we know will delight her longtime fans and introduce her to many more."

Best known for her roles in "Breaking Bad," "Don't Trust the B—— in Apartment 23," and "Veronica Mars," she will next star alongside Amy Adams, Christoph Waltz, and Jason Schwartzman in Director Tim Burton's "Big Eyes" this Holiday season.

"Marvel's A.K.A. Jessica Jones" is produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Studios for Netflix.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#23319: Dec 5th 2014 at 2:09:31 PM

[up] So, will they be using her original backstory here, or...?

edited 5th Dec '14 2:13:42 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#23320: Dec 5th 2014 at 2:26:10 PM

Well, probably not the part about having a crush on Peter Parker in high school.

I do wonder how they will handle her being a (superpowered) superhero and the stuff with the Purple Man, because superhumans don't really seem to have existed in the MCU prior to The Avengers.

Also, I have to admit that while obviously it is important to Jessica's story, I'm not a big fan of Rape as Backstory and how it is almost a requirement for female characters.

edited 5th Dec '14 2:29:59 PM by Hodor

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23321: Dec 5th 2014 at 2:29:19 PM

It's possible superhumans existed but just weren't a well-known public thing until New York. Or even then it's been 3 years in-universe since the Avengers so perhaps she debuted shortly after that?

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#23322: Dec 5th 2014 at 2:44:03 PM

Didn't Agents of SHIELD have several powered people who were being monitored by SHIELD? I don't watch but from the discussion thread I got the impression said monitoring had taken place over several years, which would mean that superhumans have definitely been around since before the battle of New York.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#23323: Dec 5th 2014 at 2:44:38 PM

Yes

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#23324: Dec 5th 2014 at 2:45:12 PM

Yes. There was a Playing with Fire guy in the 4th episode they were keeping tabs on.

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#23325: Dec 5th 2014 at 2:46:03 PM

One thought in terms of presentation- maybe instead of having purple skin, Kilgrave could be mutated to have purple eyes as well as some facial scars.

Also, while it is possible that Jessica would namedrop Carol in the show as being a friend, I would assume that Carol does not yet have superpowers.

edited 5th Dec '14 2:47:01 PM by Hodor

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