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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#23201: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:18:07 AM

[up]As Smaug.

How much would we all laugh if it turns out this information was misreported and Cumberbatch was playing Dormammu instead?

I wonder if MCU Umar is going to try and rape the hulk like her comics version did...

edited 5th Dec '14 8:18:36 AM by Canid117

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#23202: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:18:26 AM

[up][up] He's Smaug the dragon. He voices him and provided the mo-cap.

edited 5th Dec '14 8:18:36 AM by higherbrainpattern

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#23203: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:20:30 AM

[up][up] Oh, so that's why Ruffalo looks traumatised in the Avengers trailer.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#23204: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:21:04 AM

Also Sauron/The Necromancer.

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#23205: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:21:51 AM

As a result, he has scenes where Martin Freeman plays a clever but put-upon everyman completely out of his depth in the face of the sheer, majestic power of Cumberbatch's character's ego.

Bilbo and Smaug are John Watson and Sherlock Holmes, respectively, and the Actor Allusion in that is fantastic.

edited 5th Dec '14 8:22:38 AM by TobiasDrake

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23206: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:38:49 AM

Or how angry I was they chose Cumberbatch to play Khan, a Sikh character?

Well, to be totally fair, the first guy who played Khan wasn't Sikh either, he was Mexican. Khan's race is a bit of a clusterfuck.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#23207: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:41:29 AM

I'm pretty sure Khan was grown in a tube...

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23208: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:48:13 AM

[up]Exactly. While I understand that it is always great when a certain actors get a shot at important roles, because most of them are reserved for white people (it is really a crime that Zoe Saldana is painted over in most of her big roles), for the character the race isn't really important. He could be anything. They could have painted BC blue for the role for all I care (but what for?).

The hatred for BC is simply hype backlash. Concerning being culturally aware, your either watch the movies or you don't...but I highly recommend watching Sherlock, simply because it is a very unusual show.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#23209: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:55:44 AM

I haven't seen Cumberbatch in enough stuff to get a good bead on how he'll be as Strange. The only things I've seen him in ar Smaug - who is a theatrical ham, but not in the same way - and very recently Sherlock, in which he plays a very particular kind of character.

Granted, my favorite version of Stranger's personality is probably the way Straczynski wrote him, and that was mostly (from what I saw) mostly just so he could play off of Spider-Man.

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#23210: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:57:59 AM

A character in the original Star Trek series explicitly calls Khan a Sikh after studying his facial features and his last name is Singh. It's true they couldn't find an Indian actor to play him but the intent was always there.

Having said that I think BC as Dormammu would be a better fit. He can do a menacing voice pretty well if Smaug is any indication.

edited 5th Dec '14 8:58:49 AM by kostya

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#23212: Dec 5th 2014 at 8:59:30 AM

Dormmamu should be voiced by Christopher Lee and none other!

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23213: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:01:48 AM

It amuses me to think that in 1962, the closest they could get to an Indian actor was Ricardo Montalban. XP

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23214: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:02:32 AM

THEY GOT KHAN'S NATIONALITY WRONG BUT THEY ALSO DID THAT IN THE PAST SO IT'S OKAY

He was in the Hobbit?
I had no idea!

And honestly, why is always talk about the need for a black character for diversity? We already have a three recurring black actors in the cast (plus one turned green one), as well as one black main character coming up soon. Why not screaming for an Asian character, or a native American one? An English character would at least add to diversity in nationalities...that we have in Ao S (as well as Asian characters), but in the movies not so much. Aside from Natasha everyone is either American or Alien.
So that's four, none of them leading roles, total out of a cast of at least five white people per movie.

Yep, that's enough, we can stop with the black people now.

edited 5th Dec '14 9:02:43 AM by Wackd

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23215: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:03:48 AM

When did I say it was okay? It wasn't okay when they got a Mexican actor to play an Indian character, and it wasn't okay when they got a white actor to play an Indian character who was iconically played by a Mexican actor.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23216: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:05:42 AM

[up]Not you specifically, the people going "well he was kinda Hispanic" and "he was grown in a tube" or, that most wonderful of tone-deaf arguments, "he could've been [insert rainbow color here] for all I care!"

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23217: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:09:22 AM

[up][up][up]Didn't say that...but diversity is not only black and white. There are many different shades to it, and it might be more important to add more shades first. Don't you think so?

And for a racebend for Dr. Strange, Black wouldn't be my first choice. Or my second. Because I think that an important element of the character is that he suffered next to no seatbacks in his life until he suddenly lost what was the most important to him. Since Racism is still rampant at some places, a black Dr. Strange would have suffered some of it growing up, thus altering his character.

edited 5th Dec '14 9:13:20 AM by swanpride

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#23218: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:09:38 AM

Don't we have both Luke Cage and Black Panther coming up as lead roles for black characters? And Daredevil, being a Catholic Irish-American, is also a minority.

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#23219: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:10:19 AM

We have two black people in starring roles for upcoming features - one full-length feature film and one television show.

I'm not saying the MCU hasn't been distressingly monochrome in its leading roles to this point, but progress is being made.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23220: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:10:27 AM

So, how about that Cosmo the Dog being in the Guardians animated series? Think he'll be in the movie sequel?

kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#23221: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:10:51 AM

Irish Catholics aren't usually considered a minority.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#23222: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:11:50 AM

Irish-american. As far as I'm aware, Catholic Irish-Americans have been a minority in Northern America since the dawn of the US, no?

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#23223: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:12:44 AM

That's like saying Germans or Italians are a minority in America.

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GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#23224: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:12:53 AM

The Irish still kinda straddle the line between "different race" and "white". There's still a lot of people that consider "Irish" to be a different race.

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#23225: Dec 5th 2014 at 9:13:23 AM

The Irish have a history of oppression and bigotry in the United States that rivals the plight of early Asians; sometimes referred disparagingly as "A n-word turned inside out" and other colorful descriptions.

To my knowledge, that ended quite a long time ago, though; we stopped hating other flavors of white people well before we stopped hating non-whites. Some modern quasi-bigotry such as red hair being an Acceptable Target may be lingering elements of anti-Irish prejudice.

edited 5th Dec '14 9:16:24 AM by TobiasDrake

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