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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#23126: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:14:04 PM

Congratulations Marvel for being too obvious.

I do commend them for at least reaching out to other people for the role. Could have tried harder but they clearly had a set list of "Okay, who would we want for this role?" And I can understand why Cumberbatch would be on that list.

I just wish he was a few actors lower on that list.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23127: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:15:00 PM

Like...I wouldn't have cared if Doctor Strange had been latino, or really anything else for that matter. But I wasn't expecting it, and I didn't view it as a condition of whether I was going to see the movie.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#23128: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:17:33 PM

The worst thing you can say is that it's a bit safe, but I can't cast judgement until I've seen it.

This is not 'Marvel parting ways with Edgar Wright' bad by any means.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#23129: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:19:00 PM

Complain about the hero, not the actor.
I'm still not entirely convinced Doctor Strange is white.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23130: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:19:58 PM

Mukora: He was created in 1963. If he wasn't white, they'd have made a big deal out of it.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#23131: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:20:38 PM

[up][up]Maybe, I don't know. Just don't hold it against the guy playing the character.

edited 4th Dec '14 6:21:50 PM by edvedd

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#23132: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:22:07 PM

This isn't bad by any means, just... Disappointing. Calling it safe would definitly be an extremely accurate description.

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#23133: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:23:25 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Price

Most likely the inspiration for the character.

And while we're at it. The inspiration for Tony Stark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#23134: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:23:38 PM

I'm not holding it against Cumberbatch. I have no issue with him, personally.

My issue is with the casting.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23135: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:23:45 PM

No one would think it was okay for Black Panther to be played by a Japanese man, so I'm not sure why it's borderline expected for Doctor Strange to get a Race Lift.
Maybe if black men made up 92% of all American speculative-fiction film protagonists and 81% of all American film protagonists period, there'd be a push to make Black Panther not black.

I can't see that happening anytime soon.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23136: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:24:38 PM

While we're on the subject, Evangeline Lilly recently weighed in on Wright leaving Ant-Man.

Short version: She was going to quit, because she hadn't signed anything, but she read the new script and stayed on because she realized that Edgar's vision would never fit in with the rest of the universe.

If it's good enough for her, it's good enough for me.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#23138: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:30:29 PM

I like Evangeline Lilly. I'm excited for Ant-Man just to see her, tbh.

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#23139: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:32:50 PM

Oh Christ, let me know when Tiamatty finds out so I can steer clear of this thread for like seven hours.

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#23141: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:39:45 PM

Still upset there's no Jan- *is shot*

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#23142: Dec 4th 2014 at 6:48:37 PM

[up][up][up]Tiamatty has never posted here, why would he start now?

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23143: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:16:47 PM

As Sherlock fan, I am totally broken up about the thought that just another project will draw BC away.

But as MCU fan, I buckle the trend and say: YES!!!!!! Really, what is the big issue? They need someone, who can do arrogant well, while still bringing humanity to the role...and that is exactly BC's forte. He has a lot of experience with motion capture, so he can act convincingly on an nearly empty set if necessary. And I hope that they allow him to keep his accent. We need to go a little bit more international with the MCU.

I really don't get all this hate.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23144: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:18:16 PM

Actually, now I want to hear what Cumberbatch's voice sounds like with an American accent. It's so distinct that I wonder what it sounds like when it doesn't sound like itself...if that makes sense. tongue

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23145: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:22:57 PM

[up]X10 Exactly. That's always the go-to counter example and it just generally illustrates a lack of awareness.

But I will say I think Cumberbatch is a good choice. I don't care for Sherlock but that's really the writing. He does an excellent job with what he's given.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23146: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:25:52 PM

Really? Japanese is the go-to counter example? Because I'm pretty sure there are even less Asian-American leads than African-American. The principle stands.

And, as I've said time and time again, I wouldn't have minded if Strange wasn't white. It's ultimately not important. But there's a difference between wanting something and pinning all of your hopes on a very small chance.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23147: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:27:51 PM

[up]No, "why don't you make Black Panther [insert ethnicity here]" is the go-to counterexample. Though admittedly the ethnicity inserted is usually white.

Which is weird because you would think, if absolutely nothing else, the folks making that argument would choose a character who is not literally defined by being an African native with the word "Black" in his title. I mean really.

edited 4th Dec '14 7:31:10 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23148: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:30:14 PM

Okay, then let's try again.

It's like complaining that Storm isn't played by an Indian woman.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23149: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:33:03 PM

On a completely different note, Disney just emailed me what appears to be a promo comic for the new Guardians animated series, which includes Cosmo as a member of the team. Discuss. :)

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#23150: Dec 4th 2014 at 7:36:08 PM

[up][up]Honestly, that's a bad argument for a completely different reason—black people and Asian people both need representation, and we shouldn't be taking away from one to please the other because the gap there is so much smaller that, even if blacks do have the leg up, it's only relative.

If one man has a hundred dollars, one man has eight dollars, and one man has a dollar, than stealing a dollar from the second guy to give to the third isn't really helping either of them.

edited 4th Dec '14 7:36:22 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

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