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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#23026: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:32:16 PM

How does Loki know about all those things?

Edit: Nevermind, Barton told him.

edited 1st Dec '14 12:32:44 PM by Anomalocaris20

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GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#23027: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:36:38 PM

You know, the feeling I'm getting from that sentence is that Black Widow set a hospital on fire in Sau Paulo, which killed a guy named Drakov's daughter, instead of three separate incidents.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#23028: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:39:49 PM

Who names their child "Drakov's daughter"?

Well, besides someone named "Drakov", I mean.

edited 1st Dec '14 12:40:36 PM by Anomalocaris20

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#23029: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:41:32 PM

[up][up][up]Also its somewhat hilarious that Lokie, the sad puppy of the Marvel movie universe is taunt black widow about atonement, what a sneaky bastardevil grin

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#23030: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:41:42 PM

I just assumed she wrecked the world of some girl who's dad was named Drakov.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23031: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:46:39 PM

Who says that it was a little girl? Could have been a teen or a young woman.

And, yeah, it could have been one incident in Sao Paolo, where she set fire on a hospital and did something to said daughter.....but I think those are different incidents of her doing something which still haunts her (and that is saying something, I don't think that Natasha is particularly bothered about the bad guys she killed).

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#23032: Dec 1st 2014 at 12:52:01 PM

We don't even know for certain that she started the hospital fire. She might have merely done something nefarious during a hospital fire.

Loki name-checks three incidents from Widow's past with zero context. There is insufficient evidence to say anything concrete about what transpired.

edited 1st Dec '14 12:52:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23033: Dec 1st 2014 at 1:42:35 PM

I'm going to say that there is sufficient context to assume that they're not all the same incident, though. Loki's point is that there's a lot of red in her ledger. If Sao Paolo, the hospital fire, and Drakov's daughter were all the same incident, it would admittedly be one that went tits-up in a big way, but it wouldn't be a particularly good example of the sheer volume of awful things she's done, which was Loki's point in the first place.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#23034: Dec 1st 2014 at 1:47:23 PM

Is this going to be the next Budapest.

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#23035: Dec 1st 2014 at 2:05:27 PM

God, I hope not. Budapest was the Launcher of a Thousand Epileptic Trees to justify why Black Widow would remember Budapest differently from Hawkeye, missing the point: that wasn't a question, it was the joke. A misfire of Casual Danger Dialogue was the punchline.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23036: Dec 1st 2014 at 2:11:47 PM

I always assumed that the footage shown in the background during the movie is from Budapest...and that Natasha thinks it's similar because they are both standing beside each other exactly the same way, while Clint is all "I can't remember there being aliens in Budapest".

What I REALLY would like to know is why the hell they started a little war in Budapest.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#23037: Dec 1st 2014 at 2:14:56 PM

wild mass guessIt's where Hawkeye recruited Black Widow, and the Russians didn't like her going Roguewild mass guess

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#23038: Dec 1st 2014 at 4:40:38 PM

Maybe Black Widow fought aliens while in Budapest with Clint, but he wasn't aware of it because he was doing that thing he was doing between Avengers movies.

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#23039: Dec 1st 2014 at 6:01:20 PM

I have nothing to add to the discussion, but I would like to write 'São Paulo' here so people can copy that in their on posts. Reading "Sao Paolo" was making my eyes bleed.tongue I can understand not being able to type ã, but please write 'Paulo' right (or write it San Paolo, so you can pretend it is Italian).

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#23042: Dec 2nd 2014 at 7:10:56 AM

The punchline is machismo.

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#23043: Dec 2nd 2014 at 7:34:23 AM

Hmm, I would think the things Loki has mentioned were three separate events and were, from Natasha's perspective, among the more heinous things she's done and feels the most guilt for. They would probably be things she'd share with Clint and therefore what Loki would have wanted to know to press the screws in harder.

And since we're told them ambiguously they could be anything. Drakov's daughter could have been the child of a political official Widow had to help kidnap, harm, and torture to get Drakov to do something important and maybe he didn't bend or was too wishy washy and she had to kill or have the girl killed to make a point. Maybe it was a choice between the daughter and another child or his wide.

A hospital fire practically speaks for itself, being a place where the sick and injured are helped and cared for. And for all we know she had to burn it because of something like they wouldn't pay protection money or give away their drugs when people inside still needed them.

Upon reflection I probably shouldn't have dreamed up such scenarios. The point is that they were probably chosen specifically to hurt her the most and really, do we wanna know what happened?

As for Budapest? Probably just a joke. Does make me wonder what happened that caused Clint and Nat to be in a war-esque shootout in Budapest. I mean, what is in Budapest anyway? Obviously not aliens but considering what's been going on in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., they may have had to deal with at least a gifted person whilst there.

Ooh, speaking of Ao S, I finally caught up with Season 2 over the break!

The show has really reached its stride, hasn't it? I'm surprised Mockingbird has joined the cast, that was cool. I do like some of the new members. Fitz's new best friend is a really cool guy and a reasonable straight man. British guy whose name escapes me, I think it might be Hunter, is rather cool. I like him.

I like where they're going with this whole Inhumans thing, it seems like it's going to be a very interesting story.

And man, is Skye's dad scary or what? Dude freaks me out.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23044: Dec 2nd 2014 at 8:10:21 AM

[up]It certainly has...I look forward to today's episode.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#23045: Dec 2nd 2014 at 9:11:46 AM

Oh right, Ao S is on Tuesdays. Awesome, I'm having a Superhero double feature today since I think The Flash comes on first. Either way, glad I was as to catch up when I was home, means I can now watch the series properly as it airs.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#23046: Dec 2nd 2014 at 12:30:34 PM

Tuesday is Marvel day for the foreseeable future (minus the holiday programming, naturally).

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23047: Dec 2nd 2014 at 8:48:28 PM

So.....watching Iron Man 3

Still not my favourite movie, and I'm likely Late to the Party on this, but what are the chances that the Mark 42 is Ultron?

Or at the least that the technology that created it leads to Ultron? I mean, we do see it get up on it's own at one point.

Would make all the comedy moments with that movie Harsher in Hindsight when you think about it.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23048: Dec 2nd 2014 at 8:50:28 PM

None. Any suit not being piloted by a human is being run by JARVIS. Who is not Ultron.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23049: Dec 2nd 2014 at 8:55:49 PM

Who says Jarvis will be running the apparent Iron Man Army Tony has set up?

But I see your point. Guess I was off. The truth is, I've been pretty far behind on any news about this.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#23050: Dec 2nd 2014 at 8:56:29 PM

You mean the army that he blew up at the end of the movie?


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