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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22751: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:45:49 PM

They're apparently setting her up as the next Nick Fury. Or maybe the first Nick Fury. She, along with Howard, ran SHIELD back in the day. So anything that deals with SHIELD back in the day would likely involve her in some way, which explains her appearing in things that deal with SHIELD's history: we know Pym used to work with SHIELD, and we know a decent portion of Ant-Man is flashbacks to Pym's life, so Peggy appearing in his backstory makes sense. Agents of SHIELD delves into SHIELD's history, so Peggy appears briefly. The only one that stumped me was Ultron, but then the running theory is that Scarlet Witch puts the heroes through some kind of memory/illusion/thingamajig, which given Cap explains her appearing there as well.

As for Agent Carter, it's the "backstory of SHIELD" feature I've been waiting for for a while - and which I was especially psyched for after the Agent Carter short (here's hoping they continue expanding on Zodiac). I figured that whatever story they did on that subject would be a movie, but a tv show works too.

edited 17th Nov '14 10:47:51 PM by KnownUnknown

khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#22752: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:45:59 PM

[up][up]That's also fair. But I guess that's why I'm more tired of her already than I am of Loki.

Yeah, Loki's in a lot of things, but he proved himself to be a fairly multi-faceted and interesting character basically right off the bat. So when I hear he's going to be in these upcoming movies, I'm genuinely interested in where they're taking his character.

But since Peggy's yet to prove herself as such an established character, it gets kind of irritating that Marvel's planning so many cameos for her on top of a miniseries. It's sort of a cart before the horse, "trust us, this character is great" type thing, but as I've yet to really see it with what she's appeared in so far it feels a little much. Just my perspective, obviously. And I'm fairly ticked about the lack of something Black Widow centered, so that's probably part of it. [lol]

edited 17th Nov '14 10:46:48 PM by khfan429

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22753: Nov 17th 2014 at 11:13:08 PM

Regarding Loki: He is simply a great character. Period. And I don't think that he is "stealing the spotlight" from anyone, at least not in terms of screen-time. Because when it gets down to it, he doesn't really get that much, not even in The Avengers when he is the main villain (not that I think he needs more, but some people are acting as if the movies featuring him are only about him and nobody else). He is just more interesting than the majority of the other characters.

And naturally he has been around in the next Thor movie (especially after the way the last one ended) and in Age of Ultron. There are still aspects to solve concerning his storyline, I would feel cheated if the writer's didn't do it.

I also don't get the claim that there is too much Loki. He was only in three movies so far, two are coming.

Concerning Agent Carter: She is an integral part of Steve's past. And in integral part in the history of Shield, which I think is very interesting. I can't wait for the mini-series, and I certainly don't mind a cameo from her.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#22754: Nov 18th 2014 at 2:57:41 AM

@Loki in IW(we knew he would be in Thor 3 already): ...I'm kind of really hoping he doesn't take Mephisto's place from the original storyline like the wild mass guess me and Tobias talked about. In a perfect world Loki would die in Ragnarok, be reborn as a(mostly) innocent kid in the stinger and then be captured by Thanos when he goes to get the remaining Gems in Infinity War leading to Thor to have a personal reason to fight Thanos since he wants to get his kid brother back.

Of course Kid!Loki can never happen in the MCU since the Asgardians don't have the same kind of afterlife as the 616 universe so that was never going to happen.

edited 18th Nov '14 3:01:53 AM by LordofLore

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22755: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:10:57 AM

[up] I really would prefer seeing the actual Loki pairing up with the Avengers because of common interest. Can you imagine Hawkeye having to deal with him and not being allowed to put an arrow into his eyes?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#22756: Nov 18th 2014 at 3:27:56 AM

Eh, the arrow would just bounce off him.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#22757: Nov 18th 2014 at 4:02:15 AM

It would be an exploding one like last time.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#22758: Nov 18th 2014 at 4:25:02 AM

"You are never not going to fall for that, aren't you?"

crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
shine on
#22759: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:01:11 AM

just saw Guardians of the Galaxy. pretty good movie; i enjoyed it.tongue am i correct in assuming the orb is the Space Gem?

edited 18th Nov '14 5:02:40 AM by crimsonstorm15

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#22760: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:02:46 AM

I'm just gonna say I still like seeing Loki in the movies.

He steals the shows he's in, and he's really good at it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22761: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:14:52 AM

[up][up] Power Gem, I think. The colors are different. The Tesseract appears to be the Space Gem, and it seems the Aether was the Reality Gem.

Oh God! Natural light!
crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
shine on
#22762: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:20:03 AM

weird, i thought the Power Gem was red. but yeah, i can see the Tesseract as the Space Gem. i take it the thing in Loki's staff in the Avengers movie is the Mind Gem?

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22763: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:30:05 AM

[up] I suppose it could be, but it might just have been powered by the Tesseract. We'll see...

Oh God! Natural light!
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#22764: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:30:45 AM

Hawkeye just messes with Loki by putting exploding arrowheads in all his stuff.

Feige confirmed the Tesseract was both the Cosmic Cube and the Space Gem.

edited 18th Nov '14 5:31:36 AM by wanderlustwarrior

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#22765: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:37:43 AM

Loki:*Arrow on his towel as he comes out of the shower and explodes

Loki:*Arrows pour out of bowl of cereal and explodes*

Loki:*Turns page in book. arrow. You know the rest*

Loki: *Finds a bundle of arrows in his cot. Flinches. Nothing happens. relieved and walks out the door to throw away the arrows.*

Hawkeye: *Standing right in the door with an arrow pointed at Loki's face*

Loki: Oh just get it over wit-*'splosion*

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#22766: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:40:39 AM

New headcanon: During the Events of Winter Soldier, Hawkeye was in full on one-man prank war mode with Loki. It was actually pretty one-sided.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#22767: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:42:07 AM

I just want Movie Hawkeye to be just as much of a hilarious little jackass comic and EMH Hawkeye is.

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#22769: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:48:39 AM

[up] Thirded.

.I'm kind of really hoping he doesn't take Mephisto's place from the original storyline
I think I'd be okay with that. Mephisto hasn't been established yet, and Loki's already got a relationship established with Thanos. I can see him acting as the metaphorical devil on Thanos' shoulder, while plotting to take the Gauntlet himself. Only for Thanos to see through it and smack him away or something.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#22770: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:56:40 AM

I doubt Kid Loki would be done in the MCU. Comic books can keep their characters un-aging. Movies don't have that benefit; actors get older, especially kids.

edited 18th Nov '14 8:56:47 AM by Tuckerscreator

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22771: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:58:13 AM

> Mephisto isn't established yet

> Seven more movies between now and Infinity War begins

I'm gonna say don't count your chickens before they hatch. Yeah, most of those aren't likely to feature an appearance by Mephisto, but they could. Doctor Strange especially.

And that's not even considering the fact that Mephisto could appear for the first time in Infinity War. Doctor Strange opens the door for a lot of more mystical beings to show up without having to explain them too much.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#22772: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:05:43 AM

[up][up]Possibly for a single film or two close-together films. Then they could just have him progress to teen Loki using the magic of actual ageing.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#22773: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:10:31 AM

[up][up] Fair point. He might even show up in the Black Panther movie.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#22774: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:14:54 AM

[up][up]Or do like the comics and just use magic to make him go from kid to teen in 4 pages.

edited 18th Nov '14 9:17:02 AM by LordofLore

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22775: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:27:40 AM

I figured they would have Loki die in Infinity War, and then be reborn in the end as a kid or something - possibly due to the Infinity Gems. And then that would be his last appearance. Kind of a "now we have a chance to start over and look to the future" kind of open-ended closure.

Though if they make a new tv show at that point, I wouldn't put it past them to put Kid Loki in that.

edited 18th Nov '14 9:28:36 AM by KnownUnknown


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