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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22726: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:49:19 PM

Why not a Loki movie?

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22727: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:49:30 PM

I kind of expected that he'd show up in Infinity War, and it was a given that he would do the same in Thor: Ragnarok. Anyway, I'm fine with it.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#22728: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:59:33 PM

I would like the Russo Brothers more if they decided to kill Loki in their movies evil grin

Maybe Thanos could use the Time Stone to turn him into Kid Loki though

WarriorEowyn from Victoria Since: Oct, 2010
#22729: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:33:19 PM

I like Loki. He's the only villain so far with a personality that goes much beyond "bad guy" (HYDRA was a great villain in The Winter Soldier, but the story's strength came from the villain being an organization, not just an individual with a grudge as most of Marvel's other villains have been; Pierce wasn't hugely compelling in and of himself), and I'm interested to see where his story goes.

I'll be very happy to see more of the Russo brothers' directing; of the directors Marvel has used so far, they'd be my picks for Infinity Wars. I think I'd even prefer them over Joss; there's a bit more tension in Winter Soldier, a bit more sense of real stakes. Joss' movies are so infused with humour that the tension doesn't really have time to build.

edited 17th Nov '14 9:36:19 PM by WarriorEowyn

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22730: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:36:17 PM

Why are comic fans so jaded about everything? Batman fans get the same way about the Joker and it's just a major bummer.

Loki should be involved in these stories. Like the article points out, he was promised that there would be consequences for failing Thanos. So when Thanos shows up, he should face those consequences.

The idea that "he's popular and pretty and therefore I hate him" just makes me want to drive my head through a wall because of how shortsighted it is.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22731: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:40:17 PM

[up] I noticed that you made the same statement about the Joker in the Arkham Knight thread.

Regardless, I agree. I don't think a character being popular is a good reason to hate them. There's a story to tell with Loki. Now, if you don't like that story for other reasons, that's fine, but Loki's presence does not preclude the presence of other villains.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22733: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:43:35 PM

This isn't like Arkham Origins where the villain is being thrown in as big bad for a plot that didn't appear to be about them at all: like it or not, Loki is already a character in Thanos plot - I'm a bit surprised he isn't getting killed off in Thor 3 (and actually pleased, as I like the idea that he could always be something present to influence Thor), but given that he isn't there's little reason not to include him in Infinity War. They could have all of his connections be settled offscreen, yeah, or do it in Thor 3 without actually including Thanos, but why bother going out of the story's way to cut him out?

[up] The fact that the movie didn't end with that fills me with surprise sadness.

edited 17th Nov '14 9:45:19 PM by KnownUnknown

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#22735: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:48:53 PM

Now, I'm not a comics fan, and I don't hate Loki because he's "pretty and popular."

But I'm still tired of him. And I think that's a perfectly valid opinion to have. Things can outstay their welcome, regardless of how good they are.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#22736: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:52:14 PM

And he definitely did. He's becoming a spotlight stealer, but he's really just overdone. I'm tired of him.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22737: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:53:38 PM

[up] He's only been in three movies. Are you tired of Tony Stark? What about Steve Rogers?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22738: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:54:58 PM

It's also worth noting that given the adaptations aspect of it the comics, he was probably going to be in all the Thor movies in some role or another and the first Avengers movie no matter what.

edited 17th Nov '14 9:55:26 PM by KnownUnknown

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#22739: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:59:18 PM

The Thor movies are more about Loki than Thor, though. That's both because Thor is a mostly flat character, but also because the stories bend more to be about Loki.

Also, yes I'm tired of Tony Stark.

khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#22740: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:00:31 PM

Personally, I'm not sick of Loki, though I do wish they had toned his role in the Dark World down a bit and put some more focus on the actual villain. Him being in Thor 3 and Infinity War was basically inevitable.

If there's anyone I'm honestly sick of seeing pop up everywhere? It's Peggy Carter. I don't hate her by any means, but I don't really get why she's so popular/getting cameos in so many things, and it's getting a little annoying.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22741: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:01:12 PM

I already knew he was going to be in Infinity War, I just hoped he wasn't going to be. Now I'm hoping he's killed off in Infinity War part 1.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22742: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:01:27 PM

To be precise, the Thor movies are about Thor and Loki's relationship. What makes Loki interesting isn't Loki, it's how he relates to Thor - that's what the bulk of his scenes are about. Thor 2, especially, had little of Loki that wasn't in some way Thor related or designed to make Thor feel stuff or react in a certain way, etc - at least in comparison to the first movie, where Loki got a character arc.

What makes Loki feel overexposed in Thor 2 isn't that he had a major role, it's that the writers failed at balancing the brotherly drama in a situation where the brotherly drama wasn't the thing that was actually supposed to be controlling the movie.

edited 17th Nov '14 10:04:17 PM by KnownUnknown

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22743: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:02:18 PM

[up] That was actually what I liked most about the first Thor movie.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#22744: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:22:48 PM

Actually yeah, I'm kinda tired of Peggy, too. Not as much, though. Since she was a SHIELD founder, she serves the purpose of her screentime. I can't really justify her getting her own couple of episodes, though. Maybe if it was Agent Carter and the Howling Commandos...

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#22745: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:24:25 PM

She was pretty much the only female character in the first Captain America, and she was pretty badass.

She has just as much justification as Coulson.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#22746: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:32:14 PM

To my knowledge, Peggy's had cameos in Winter Soldier and a single episode of Agents of SHIELD. Yeah she's getting her own series but it hasn't even aired yet. How could she possibly be overexposed already?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#22747: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:33:55 PM

And appearances in another episode of Agents of SHIELD, and Age of Ultron, and Ant-Man coming up.

edited 17th Nov '14 10:34:17 PM by khfan429

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22748: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:35:58 PM

I don't see a problem with mere cameos. Peggy getting her 8-episode spin-off after starring in a feature-length movie is all good.

khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#22749: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:40:25 PM

I don't know, I just... don't see what's so special about her, I guess.

I mean, I know female representation is an issue, and that Scarlett Johansson's pregnancy/availability probably limits what they can do with Black Widow. But I don't know. I just don't find Peggy all that interesting. She's badass, yeah, but that's all I really get from her aside from "Cap's love interest". She doesn't catch my attention as a character.

edited 17th Nov '14 10:40:55 PM by khfan429

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22750: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:41:51 PM

[up] Fair enough. Consider her upcoming series an attempt to remedy this.

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