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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#22702: Nov 17th 2014 at 10:47:48 AM

Tobias: I was thinking her since it gives a reason to have her around although Madeline Frank would be a nice Golden Age reference.

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#22703: Nov 17th 2014 at 12:07:52 PM

On a related topic, I've been thinking about how to some extent I'd like it if due to technobabble (i.e. Cosmic Cube and/or super soldier serum), Peggy got rejuvenated and started interacting with the modern characters.

She is a great character, and I don't see why the rules of the 'verse are necessarily against it.

On the other hand, I can see how while sad, her growing old and developing Alzheimers is necessary to the story and would be cheapened by bringing her back.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#22704: Nov 17th 2014 at 12:30:17 PM

Is her hair a second shield?

She's obviously reached Super Saiyan 3.

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#22705: Nov 17th 2014 at 12:32:37 PM

And how much of a waste of time introducing Agent 13 in the last movie would become. You don't build up a character like that and then shove them aside for someone we last saw in a hospice.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#22706: Nov 17th 2014 at 12:43:52 PM

In fairness, Agent 13 doesn't so much get set up as she does kind of introduced as a footnote.

Also in fairness, I do think having Peggy grow old and eventually die is a nice change of pace from having literally all of Cap's 40s friends running around in the modern day like they are in the comics.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#22707: Nov 17th 2014 at 12:46:30 PM

If by change of pace, you mean exactly what happened to Peggy in the comics, then yes, I agree.

I also agree that they should let her grow old and die.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22708: Nov 17th 2014 at 12:46:39 PM

[up]My sentiments.

Plus as inconsequential as Sharon was in Winter Soldier, I'm sure they planned on giving her a bigger role down the line. It just already had a lot of new characters to introduce.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22709: Nov 17th 2014 at 1:48:58 PM

For example, the person who kicked off this conversation, Brock Rumlow. He basically exists in The Winter Soldier to be the "main" HYDRA soldier, and so Sam has someone to fight in the climax. But he'll be back more prominently in Civil War.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#22710: Nov 17th 2014 at 2:10:51 PM

Speaking of Civil War, does anyone have any ideas on how Agents will be tied into it? I'm wondering if it will be a reactive integration (like the events of Thor:DW or Winter Soldier) or, what I'm hoping for, more proactive (like maybe this is something set up in a S.H.I.E.L.D. episode by director Coulson, and is later followed up by the film)

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22711: Nov 17th 2014 at 2:14:43 PM

How about we wait until we're not 18 months away from it.

If SHIELD gets a third season, it would be almost over by the time Civil War comes out. They're not even thinking about it yet.

And they would never make the TV show mandatory viewing to understand the movies. That's the fastest way to not make any money anymore.

edited 17th Nov '14 2:15:30 PM by BadWolf21

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22712: Nov 17th 2014 at 2:25:58 PM

[up]Ao S is firmly in the green for the Cancellation prediction table. Naturally everything can happen, but it's rarely wrong. Just because the ratings are not as good as they should be, it doesn't mean that they are so bad that the show gets cancelled. And as good as the episodes currently are, they should hold onto the current audience.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22713: Nov 17th 2014 at 2:29:59 PM

I didn't mean to comment on the ratings. I just meant that since they haven't been renewed, they're not going to be writing for episodes that would be airing 18 months from now. They're going to be thinking about this year, and near the end of it, setting up for the beginning of next year. Not the end of it.

edited 17th Nov '14 2:30:29 PM by BadWolf21

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22714: Nov 17th 2014 at 2:49:18 PM

They currently seem to have a long term plan, though. I wonder if the writers have an idea what will happen in Age of Ultron.

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#22715: Nov 17th 2014 at 3:23:59 PM

The Russos have built so much cred for me after Cap 2 that I'd have to hear tons of bad news to even downgrade my desire to see Cap 3 to "reluctant".

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22716: Nov 17th 2014 at 3:34:16 PM

I doubt something happening in Agents of SHIELD will kick off Civil War because as I've mentioned in the past, pretty much everyone involved with the show has said that they aren't allowed to do stuff like that since not everyone who's watching the movies are necessarily watching the TV show. Actually the ratings point to quite the opposite.

I'm sure they'll tie in but it won't be some huge thing like the inciting event actually occurs there.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#22717: Nov 17th 2014 at 4:40:05 PM

Since Ao S mentioned Baron Strucker in last week's episode, do you think they're gonna tie in some other stuff that leads into Age of Ultron?

[down] Why? It happened with The Winter Soldier.

edited 17th Nov '14 5:19:51 PM by higherbrainpattern

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#22719: Nov 17th 2014 at 6:43:28 PM

I'm sensing that in Age of Ultron there's going to be cracks and disagreements with Tony and Steve which possibly at the end post credits shows the Superhuman Act being proposed.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
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#22720: Nov 17th 2014 at 6:46:44 PM

The first crack was that poor log. He was the first casualty of the Civil War. We mourn you, dear log.

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#22721: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:01:48 PM

The Russos have built so much cred for me after Cap 2 that I'd have to hear tons of bad news to even downgrade my desire to see Cap 3 to "reluctant".

This pretty much. If they do good on Cap 3 then I really hope they direct both parts of Infinity War.

edited 17th Nov '14 8:01:58 PM by MadSkillz

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Role Model
#22724: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:39:10 PM

I figure he'd have a role in Thor, but I wish he'd just go away after that.

edited 17th Nov '14 8:39:25 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#22725: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:45:51 PM

Too pretty, too popular.

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