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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#22677: Nov 16th 2014 at 1:16:32 PM

Who knows. The very nature and premise of X-men means they can basically make up new guys every ten seconds with no need for thought or logic.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#22678: Nov 16th 2014 at 1:23:27 PM

The very nature and premise of X-men means they can basically make up new guys every ten seconds with no need for thought or logic.

It's an incredibly convenient premise, and it also gives plenty of room for drama. The puberty metaphor is a bonus too.

Really, the whole X-Men premise re-imagined superhero fiction as a whole, it inspired tons of other series and changed how people think about superhero fiction.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22679: Nov 16th 2014 at 2:53:24 PM

[up][up][up]Like at least half the team. Who it is isn't relevant because the guy writing the book said the embargo is bullshit anyway.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#22680: Nov 16th 2014 at 3:47:52 PM

I wouldn't count out Deathbird. The Shi'ar are likely owned by Fox but she's murkier since she actually debuted in Ms. Marvel, not an X-Men or Fantastic Four book. I could see a situation where they have the rights to her but have to make her belong to a different alien race.

By that logic they could use Mystique, no? I am not sure it works. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are special cases as they are far,far, more connected to the Avengers than to the X Men. Deathbird is primary an X Men villain in the comics, origins aside. It is not like Marvel can claim Wolverine just because he debuted in Hulk (they would have done so already, if they could).

Who knows. The very nature and premise of X-men means they can basically make up new guys every ten seconds with no need for thought or logic.

That is why the mutants were created in the first place. Stan didn't want to think in more origins stories for another 5 characters. "They were born that way" is far more convenient.

Which ones?

Goldballs, Tempus and some other punks. Wikipedia have the full roster(scroll down, everyone between Tempus and Hijack are new). They list the All New X-Men there also, which is not quite correct.

edited 16th Nov '14 3:57:36 PM by Heatth

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#22681: Nov 16th 2014 at 4:08:24 PM

So Cap 1 is on. Something I'm just catching: Stark described the Tesseract/Cosmic Cube/Space Gem energy as being "alpha, beta ray neutral".

What comes next in that sequence...

Also, in the "buy war bonds" montage, Cap is surrounded by troops who well echo Bucky, Gabe, and Falsworth in appearance.

edited 16th Nov '14 4:10:27 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#22682: Nov 16th 2014 at 6:19:53 PM

Selvig mentioned it emitting a small amount of gamma rays too. The Cube sure likes its rays.

I'm sorta surprised that Cap's war bonds movie included a black teammate, considering troops weren't desegregated yet and a propaganda film wouldn't want to raise protest.

edited 16th Nov '14 6:21:42 PM by Tuckerscreator

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#22683: Nov 16th 2014 at 7:04:48 PM

Why wouldn't it?

Black people have money too, it's just pragmatic to try and get them to spend money on the war just as much as the white people.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#22684: Nov 16th 2014 at 7:22:47 PM

[up]This was the 40s, and things were weird back then. For what I understand, appealing for the money of black people is not worth the risk of outraging rich whites.

edited 16th Nov '14 10:35:13 PM by Heatth

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#22685: Nov 16th 2014 at 8:19:58 PM

Bingo. Also, if you're going to pitch to black bond buyers, you're probably pitching to a black audience, which wasn't the case in the film.

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22687: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:27:26 AM

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Not what I expected but alright.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#22688: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:29:15 AM

Left field, certainly, but he's a reasonable villain for some fighty stuff.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#22689: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:29:23 AM

Let's just hope that this film inspires Sony to create a One More Day two-part film with AS, giving the fans exactly what they want another excuse to hate on the franchise, only for it to default back to Marvel Studios

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LordOfLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#22690: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:29:23 AM

He will probably just kill/wound him in the last act. I'm expecting Tony to be the main (relucant)antagonist for most of the movie.

Edit: I'm really tired of all the "Spider-Man and FF will come back to Marvel if the movies suck" stuff so I'm starting on that thing I mentioned last time.

edited 17th Nov '14 10:11:24 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22691: Nov 17th 2014 at 8:54:42 AM

I don't think that Crossbone will be the main villain. He will be ONE villain, or the tool of the main villain. Most likely he will just be a stand-in for Hydra.

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22692: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:00:08 AM

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He's probably going to be at the end to kill captain america

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#22693: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:04:51 AM

Maybe that won't happen in this version of events?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22694: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:14:11 AM

If it happens, I doubt it will be permanent.

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#22695: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:20:10 AM

I see it being permanent. Sebastian Stan has a surprisingly long contract, and we all know what happened to his character after Cap's death.

LordOfLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#22696: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:30:13 AM

Captain America: Reborn is pretty much impossible for the MCU to do since it doesn't have the tech level, Zola is dead and Red Skull is probably not going to return since Weaving doesn't want to do the role any more.

Also the storyline was pretty awful and the reborn Cap was already back in action in other books before he was revived in the story.

Sticking with Bucky and maybe having Falcon take over after Fear Itself or when Stan gets tired of the role would be great.

edited 17th Nov '14 10:15:09 AM by LordofLore

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#22697: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:36:42 AM

It's Civil War, it's featuring Crossbones in a prominent role, it's taking place in a Captain America film specifically - really, at this point, I'm pretty well and truly convinced that Cap is going to die.

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#22698: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:37:08 AM

I know they'd never do it but I think seeing a female Cap would be neat.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22699: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:44:20 AM

[up][up][up][up]It's not a surprisingly long contract. It is exactly the same contract they wanted for Captain America, too, nine movies, (and I guess, more or less the standard for new actors in the universe), but Chris Evans was very reluctant to take the role after his experiences with the fantastic four and only agreed when Marvel went down to six movies. Naturally the six movie contract suggests that it might be time for Marvel to think about ways to write him out of the movie series, but I don't think that it will happen before the Infinity war.

I think we really have to get away from the notion that just because an actor has a contract for nine or more movies, Marvel has plans for him to be in that many. That is simply not the case, it is a back-up, to ensure that the actors are available when they need them. And just because a contract ends, it doesn't mean the there won't be a new one. Even if Chris Evans has other plans NOW, this might change in the future, especially if Marvel makes him an offer he can't resist. Like directing a movie in exchange for being around longer.

edited 17th Nov '14 9:44:37 AM by Swanpride

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#22700: Nov 17th 2014 at 9:46:45 AM

[up][up] Shannon Carter, then?

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