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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Not sure if Peter's and Gamora's motivation are actual redemption. Peter mostly wants to rescue the Galaxy because he is one of the idiots who life in it and Gamora wants to break free of Thanos, but I guess she considers herself beyond redemption. I don't think that either of them are particularly bothered about their past actions.
Gamora definitely feels guilt for her past actions, and I'd also say that (if this makes sense) she wants to be a hero/acknowledged as one in order to escape her bad reputation (and avoiding a prison is a plus).
Quill isn't The Atoner (so, my comparison breaks down there), but he is along with Gamora the most genuinely altruistic team members- they're saving the galaxy because it's the right thing to do; the others (except maybe Groot whose motives are difficult to discern) have their own agendas.
edited 15th Nov '14 5:37:40 PM by Hodor
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wikiHmm...are there any longtime Thunderbolts members? If so, when could they make their debuts?
Oh God! Natural light!Not really. The original group was a bunch of villains pretending to be superheroes who to varying extents realized they liked it. Later versions of the team were more along the lines of villains pretending to be (pre-existing) heroes working for a villain or Boxed Crook villains.
I think the most consistent team member is Moonstone, an antagonist of Captain Marvel, as she was in the original group under this fake hero identity Meteorite, pretended to be Captain Marvel (well, Ms. Marvel at the time) on a later team, and then ended up in the Boxed Crook group as herself.
I don't really know much about Captain Marvel, but it seems to be assumed that if/when she gets a film, Moonstone would probably be the villain (you know, Designated Girl Fight and all).
Baron Zemo was the leader of the original team and is a fairly big name who is a Captain America enemy. It wouldn't be too surprising if he turned up in a Captain America film.
edited 15th Nov '14 7:54:00 PM by Hodor
Edit, edit, edit, edit the wikiI agree that Black Panther and Captain Marvel were probably in development a while but DC's slate made them announce it a bit earlier. Gotta even out the PR a little.
edited 16th Nov '14 1:47:39 AM by edvedd
Visit my Tumblr! I may say things. The Bureau ProjectI'm wondering if they will pick someone from Mar-Vells villains or from Carols time before she became Captain Marvel. If they go with Mar-Vells they are probably taking Yon Rogg(since Thanos is kind of taken already) while if they go with the Ms. Marvel villains they are probably taking Moonstone.
edited 16th Nov '14 5:24:12 AM by LordOfLore
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I think that Marvel currently couldn't care less what DC does or doesn't do. They march very much in their own tune. I think the only thing they are really interested in is getting their properties back, especially Spider-man. And even that is a matter in which they will wait to pounce in the right moment.
They have no reason to want those properties back. The other studios are pretty much providing free advertising for their comic and cartoon properties without the huge costs of having to make films themselves. Marvel studios has become so successful that they can easily afford to buy back all their film licenses ten fold, Especially now that they have Disney backing them.
But they haven't, we haven't even heard anyone mention that they are so desperately trying to get them back. The only people who think this is so are the fans. I mean, they have MCU films planned out for the next 5 years almost. Maybe they would have tried harder to get their stuff back when they were a small studio but now that they have success and huge plans, trying to get back their old properties would only get in he way of what they're doing now. And that would be assuming they want them back right now in the first place, which they clearly don't.
Maybe give it ten years and they might start missing the X-men or the FF or something, but right now, they're good.
edited 16th Nov '14 5:49:35 AM by MousaThe14
The Blog The ArtCarol has very slim pickings as far as villains go. She shares a lot of her villains with the Fantastic Four or X-Men franchises.
Given that it's an origin story, it would make sense to use someone from the Kree Empire which - between Guardians, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., this, and the upcoming Inhumans film - is starting to become established as a dangerous space empire.
edited 16th Nov '14 7:16:06 AM by TobiasDrake
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Moonstone apparently gets her powers from the Kree as well, or at least they're related somehow.
Actually, they do. One very big reason. So big it's the reason Marvel Studios exists in the first place. Actually, it's kind of three reasons: X-Men: The Last Stand, Spider-Man 3, and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. Three bad movies in three major franchises, in the span of two years.
As long as someone else holds the rights, Marvel has no say in what is done with their property. The X-Men movies are on an upswing right now, but all it takes is another Last Stand or Origins to lose all of the good will they've been building since First Class. Spider-Man's stock in film is rapidly falling. And who really knows what's happening with the Fantastic Four anymore.
Films by other studios may be "free advertising" for the comics, and Marvel may get a cut of the profits, but they have no way to veto a bad decision. Sony is so desperate to hold onto Spider-Man that they're dipping into the land of spin-offs that the audience probably doesn't even want if ASM2's box office is any indication. And Marvel has no control over that. They can't be like "Hey, it seems like interest is waning. Let's rein it in for a while."
And that's why Marvel Studios was created. Because films are lucrative, but easy to screw up. And at least if it's Marvel themselves who screws up a movie, they can own that mistake and put the property on the shelf to cool off, instead of having it handled by a company who needs to make movies to hold onto the rights, and so will continue to churn out bad ones until they stop making money off it.
It's obviously not priority #1 for them, but they definitely want those rights back, even if it's just to sit on them.
edited 16th Nov '14 7:20:12 AM by BadWolf21
What
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As long as Fox and Sony continue making movies, Marvel keeps getting their cut of the profits, but suffers nothing from their losses. If the movies do well, Marvel makes loads of money, and if the movies do poorly, the worst that can happen to Marvel is that the rights revert. It's Win/Win.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It is also notable that Spider-man is a huge seller in merchandise. In fact, he makes more than Batman or Superman. The last thing Marvel wants is his popularity to diminish because Sony is forced to make a movie every three years to keep the rights. So a bunch of bad movies could seriously cut into their profits.
Though I guess Fox is a bigger problem for Marvel. With the X-Men and Fantastic Four they can claim way too many characters for themselves.
edited 16th Nov '14 7:53:40 AM by Swanpride
A brief description of Yon-Rogg for those that don't read the comics:
Yon-Rogg is a Colonel in the Kree military(serving under Ronan for most of his life). He was the commander in charge of the ship that brings Mar-Vell(and his girlfriend, the medic Una)to his mission on Earth
◊. Hating Mar-Vell for the love that Una feels for him causes Yon to sabotage almost all of Mar's missions on Earth which eventually leads to Una's death. Yon later kidnaps Mar's good friend Carol Danvers and plans to kill her to hurt Mar. Mar saves her but in the process Yon is "killed" by an exploding machine(called the Magnitron)which also irradiates Carol which makes her half Kree(later becoming a superhero called Ms. Marvel).
In the present times Carol takes on the name of her old savior, Captain Marvel. Yon-Rogg is revealed to have survived the explosion and tries to go back to his homeworld(Hala). Sadly for him, the Kree doesn't want him back. He decides to remake Hala on Earth and takes on the name of Magnitron since his new powers are based on the old machine
◊. He is defeated by Carol when she figures out that his powers(more or less Reality Warping) are powered by a remnant of the old machine that is inside Carol's head which she gets rid of at the cost of her memories.
(I was bored. One of these days my boredom will make me post the current looks of each MCU figure in the comics.)
edited 16th Nov '14 8:19:30 AM by LordOfLore
Yeah, but in their place I would be laying in wait for an opportunity to get my biggest cash cow under full control. I don't think that Marvel is in a hurry to do so, they will wait until the circumstances are right, but they certainly have a vast interest to ensure that Spider-Man popularity doesn't suffer.
And the X-Men are a giant merchandise opportunity, if Marvel had full control. But they don't, and each character they invent for the series is immediately swooped up by Fox.
That's true of any franchise they've licensed out. The whole "They don't want to create new heroes because it will give Fox more ammo" was explicitly confirmed false by someone actually working there anyway. I REALLY doubt that's a huge concern for them.
I wouldn't count out Deathbird. The Shi'ar are likely owned by Fox but she's murkier since she actually debuted in Ms. Marvel, not an X-Men or Fantastic Four book. I could see a situation where they have the rights to her but have to make her belong to a different alien race.
edited 16th Nov '14 12:19:25 PM by comicwriter

I read an article where James Gunn expressed interest in doing the Thunderbolts and thinking about it, I can tell, as I think that was probably an influence behind the presentation of the Guardians-you have Mach I/Peter Quill and Songbird/Gamora as the leaders of a morally compromised group. They are actually in it for redemption, whereas everyone else has more selfish motives. Ultimately, everyone gets a literal "Get Out of Jail Free" Card.
I've kind of wondered about having Zemo, as there's already a HYDRA guy with facial scars (Rumlow/Crossbones).
edited 15th Nov '14 5:18:27 PM by Hodor
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