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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Not in the comics but in The Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes and Next Avengers Heroes Of Tomorrow.
edited 13th Nov '14 1:33:09 PM by comicwriter
Speaking of which, how much of the MCU actually follows the comics? If the Infinity War is happening as well as the extent of Winter Soldier, then it must follow the original renditions. Perfectly reasonable, but then we get the 08 Guardians instead of the 691 renditions and Ultron not . So can it really be considered an "adaptation" anymore or has it transcended the realms into "BasedOn"?
edited 13th Nov '14 1:35:25 PM by Mattonymy
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They just added that part in to cause tension, I think. It did make sense in the context of the show though because a walking death bot is the exact thing pre-Iron Man Stark would try to sell.
The MCU has always kind of played fast and loose with the canon. It became more pronounced with Phase II but even the stuff like Avengers still took some pretty big liberties. Which I think is a good example of Tropes Are Not Bad.
edited 13th Nov '14 1:35:33 PM by comicwriter
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But it's to considerable degrees. I mean, the same people who may have loved what changes were made in Guardians may also despise the changes made with Mandarin. So where do you draw the fine line?
And where do films like Big Hero 6 come into play- I'm well aware it's not the same universe but is it still an "adaptation" since it only shares character names and general themes?
edited 13th Nov '14 1:41:36 PM by Mattonymy
You are displaying abnormally high compulsions to over-analyze works of fiction and media. Diagnosis: TV Tropes Addiction.Disney is pretty much the trope maker when it comes to things not being good adaptations yet still being good movies.
I mean, their version of Hamlet is all about Lions (which are not native to Denmark), The Little Mermaid doesn't end with Ariel committing suicide, and their adaptation of The Snow Queen was so different they had to slap a different name on it.
Really? It's a loose adaptation to be sure, especially in regards to characterization, but it shares a bit more its source than most of Disney's movies (which is to say that it sticks to the basic plot fairly well, though the climax is very different and they composited a bunch of characters). It's also like Beauty And The Beast in that it more closely mirrors other adaptations of the story, than necessarily the original story itself.
edited 13th Nov '14 4:26:36 PM by KnownUnknown
Tangled...though, interestingly, all the core elements of the fairy tale are still part of the story, they just inserted a healthy dose logic to it and made Rapunzel more proactive.
In a way I see comics similar to fairy tales...it is less about the actual story and more about the themes which are addressed. Who cares about the details of the Ultron story as long as it is about a humanity destroying robot? Who cares about the details of the Civil war as long as there is a believable conflict which escalates?

Annihilation: Conquest and Ultron Unlimited are good places to start. There was also a one-shot they did a few years ago called Avengers Origins: Vision that was very big on Vision and Ultron-y goodness.