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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22576: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:13:27 PM

Annihilation: Conquest and Ultron Unlimited are good places to start. There was also a one-shot they did a few years ago called Avengers Origins: Vision that was very big on Vision and Ultron-y goodness.

Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
Mr. Dr.
#22577: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:19:04 PM

Oh, good. I'm already reading Annihilation tongue Will definitely check out origins.

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Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
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#22578: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:26:57 PM

It's Ultron's world, we just (temporarily) live in it.

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#22579: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:27:41 PM

What do think of the decision for the movie to make Ultron a creation of Tony Stark?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22580: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:29:31 PM

That it's a ship that has long since sailed and it makes sense in the context of the movies.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#22581: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:30:03 PM

Wasn't he always at least involved in Ultron's creation, anyway?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22582: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:32:03 PM

[up]Not in the comics but in The Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes and Next Avengers Heroes Of Tomorrow.

edited 13th Nov '14 1:33:09 PM by comicwriter

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#22584: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:33:08 PM

[up]x2 I assumed the Earth's Mightiest Heroes plotline took inspiration from the comics.

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
Mr. Dr.
#22585: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:34:04 PM

Speaking of which, how much of the MCU actually follows the comics? If the Infinity War is happening as well as the extent of Winter Soldier, then it must follow the original renditions. Perfectly reasonable, but then we get the 08 Guardians instead of the 691 renditions and Ultron not . So can it really be considered an "adaptation" anymore or has it transcended the realms into "BasedOn"?

edited 13th Nov '14 1:35:25 PM by Mattonymy

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22586: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:34:12 PM

[up][up]They just added that part in to cause tension, I think. It did make sense in the context of the show though because a walking death bot is the exact thing pre-Iron Man Stark would try to sell.

[up]The MCU has always kind of played fast and loose with the canon. It became more pronounced with Phase II but even the stuff like Avengers still took some pretty big liberties. Which I think is a good example of Tropes Are Not Bad.

edited 13th Nov '14 1:35:33 PM by comicwriter

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22587: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:37:07 PM

When have movies not done that, though? No Batman movie has ever been a straight adaptation of a comic storyline. They always take inspiration and then do their own thing with it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22588: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:39:57 PM

The comics are constantly reinventing themselves, too. They are a very different source than a book which has one story.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#22589: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:40:01 PM

Yeah, part of the best things about adaptations is that they can do their own thing to subvert your expectations and in some ways make things better.

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
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#22590: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:40:43 PM

[up][up][up]But it's to considerable degrees. I mean, the same people who may have loved what changes were made in Guardians may also despise the changes made with Mandarin. So where do you draw the fine line?

And where do films like Big Hero 6 come into play- I'm well aware it's not the same universe but is it still an "adaptation" since it only shares character names and general themes?

edited 13th Nov '14 1:41:36 PM by Mattonymy

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#22591: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:41:59 PM

Well it's based on a comic so yes it's an adaptation.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22592: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:43:01 PM

It's an adaptation of the comics, but not of a specific storyline from the comics.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22593: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:43:44 PM

If there's anything Disney proves, it's that terrible adaptations =/= terrible movies. Some of their best movies have had almost nothing to do with the source material.

[up] So? That doesn't make them not adaptations.

edited 13th Nov '14 1:44:52 PM by KnownUnknown

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22594: Nov 13th 2014 at 1:44:42 PM

Big Hero 6 being a prime example. That movie would not have been half as good with a Baymax straight out of the comics.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#22595: Nov 13th 2014 at 3:22:41 PM

Disney is pretty much the trope maker when it comes to things not being good adaptations yet still being good movies.

I mean, their version of Hamlet is all about Lions (which are not native to Denmark), The Little Mermaid doesn't end with Ariel committing suicide, and their adaptation of The Snow Queen was so different they had to slap a different name on it.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22596: Nov 13th 2014 at 3:30:24 PM

Well that last one is meaningless. Better example would be making their adaptation of the Snow Queen literally a different character in their TV show about all the fairy-tale characters.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22597: Nov 13th 2014 at 3:32:27 PM

The Hunchback Of Notre Dame and The Jungle Book are my favorite Disney examples of that sort of thing.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22598: Nov 13th 2014 at 4:08:43 PM

Aladdin is mine. Has next to nothing to do with the original story, one of their best movies.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22599: Nov 13th 2014 at 4:22:07 PM

Really? It's a loose adaptation to be sure, especially in regards to characterization, but it shares a bit more its source than most of Disney's movies (which is to say that it sticks to the basic plot fairly well, though the climax is very different and they composited a bunch of characters). It's also like Beauty And The Beast in that it more closely mirrors other adaptations of the story, than necessarily the original story itself.

edited 13th Nov '14 4:26:36 PM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22600: Nov 13th 2014 at 4:26:27 PM

Tangled...though, interestingly, all the core elements of the fairy tale are still part of the story, they just inserted a healthy dose logic to it and made Rapunzel more proactive.

In a way I see comics similar to fairy tales...it is less about the actual story and more about the themes which are addressed. Who cares about the details of the Ultron story as long as it is about a humanity destroying robot? Who cares about the details of the Civil war as long as there is a believable conflict which escalates?


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