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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#22426: Nov 11th 2014 at 12:58:29 PM

Oh Jesus, Celestials are not a villain that the current MCU can handle. Considering that a Destroyer Armor filled with ALL THE SOULS OF ASGARD is a minor nuisance to a Celestial.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#22427: Nov 11th 2014 at 1:00:22 PM

So, Celestials are higher than Galactus? Thought he was a Force of Nature type thing. I know that he is from the previous Universe, just saying.

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#22428: Nov 11th 2014 at 1:02:17 PM

I think Celestials might be on an even tier with Galactus. The problem is that there are nine of them. And the only way that was originally known to defeat Galactus was to steal his shit.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22429: Nov 11th 2014 at 1:21:15 PM

But X-Men is trying to convince me that a large number of the population would be just okay with them being imprisonment for it

That depends on whether or not you have a high regard for people. Because one of the reasons it's a dumb fucking idea to hold civil rights up for a vote is because many times a majority (or at least an extremely sizable number) will vote it down. Why do you think we've historically had such a time getting gay marriage legalized? You don't think if they could there are large swaths of people who would have voted down African-American civil rights amendments too?

There are lots of truly hateful, ignorant people in our society and while yes, the X-Men does exaggerate it to ludicrous levels sometimes, the general idea of a society being okay with mutants being rounded up and imprisoned is not as far fetched as you think.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22430: Nov 11th 2014 at 1:58:41 PM

Geth: IGN just posted a list of a bunch of comics to read if you want to more about upcoming MCU movies. Might be a good place to start?

RE: Galactus' power level: Thanos once used the Infinity Gauntlet to determine that Galactus is about on par with Odin, Zeus, the Celestials, and the Stranger. A well-nourished Galactus is able to defeat a small Celestial on his own, but more than one is too much for him.

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#22431: Nov 11th 2014 at 2:02:53 PM

Damn, Odin is that strong?

I wonder where Dormy falls in terms of power? From what I understand there's been in-universe fluctuations in that regard..

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22433: Nov 11th 2014 at 2:38:12 PM

If we get our wish, Dr. Strange is going to be introducing some incredibly powerful magical beings as well - with Guardians Of The Galaxy likely introducing them on the cosmic side. And of course there's some overlap there as well.

Off the top of my head, Dormammu is comparable to Comics! Odin (who is more likely than not much more powerful than Movie! Odin, just to give a sense of scale). Shuma Gorath (who I'm pulling for for Dr. Strange 3) is even more powerful than that - especially in his home dimension.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22434: Nov 11th 2014 at 2:54:52 PM

Dormammu is probably going to be more powerful than film Odin. Film Odin (as well as the Asgardians in general) are kinda nerfed by virtue of being Sufficiently Advanced Aliens instead of actual gods, whereas barring some serious WT Fery, I can't see them making Dormammu not a demon.

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#22435: Nov 11th 2014 at 2:58:02 PM

Yeah, everything in the MCU just seems...weaker. I mean, of course they can't do a direct copy of scale, but Movie Oldin just seems like a sad old man.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22438: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:01:34 PM

So we're trading fake-Mandarin jokes for Doom-username jokes, then?

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#22439: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:06:32 PM

The great DOCTOR DOOM is not VICTOR VON DOOM?

I'm just gonna stand back and watch the Doombot horde dogpile these guys

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22440: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:12:06 PM

We have an FF thread if you wanna discuss that.

[up][up][up][up[up]]Probably because it's easier to film. Joss Whedon actually had a nice interview where he pointed out that WB is going to have an insane time actually making a Justice League movie because of how ridiculously overpowered everyone on the team is.

edited 11th Nov '14 3:12:17 PM by comicwriter

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#22441: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:23:00 PM

So we're trading fake-Mandarin jokes for Doom-username jokes, then?

I can live with that.

This is fun! Here's another one: The Scandanavian megacorporation A.S.G.A.R.D has been under attacked by a hacker with mad skillz known only as "L 0 K 1 the Trickster", who is in fact the alter-ego of one Lornie Wednesday, neo-Pagan.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22442: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:33:56 PM

I have to admit, I originally thought it was idiotic to make immediately a Justice league movie without bothering to introduce the characters beforehand...and then I suddenly realized how boring the origin stories of the various DC characters actually are. I mean, what sounds more interesting "he comes from a destroyed planet" (an aspect the original Superman movie covered during the first minutes of the movie) or "he is a god but his father punished him by turning him human"? "He wants revenge for his killed parents" or "he was a weapon producer who got captured, hurt by his own weapons and broke himself out by building a suit"? "She is from a mystical island to fight for America" or "he was so weak that it was a miracle he reached adulthood, but then he became powerful with the help of a experiment he participated in out of patriotism, was frozen towards the end of the war and is now a fish out of the temporal water"? I am not saying that the DC heroes are automatically less interesting, but the origin stories don't really have enough meat to them for a movie unless you add a lot of stuff to it, which can work, but can go very, very wrong just as well.

Which might be one of the reasons the went for Lang for Ant-man. "he is a thief who struggles with going straight but is set back because of his ill daughter" has more meat to it than "he is a scientist who got a weird result out of an experiment".

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#22443: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:39:11 PM

Well, when you go out of your way to make the DC origins sound as bland as possible...Here, I can do it, too.

"He was a skinny little shit, until he took steroids."

"He was a drunk, until he got blown up."

"He was a wimp, until a bomb blew up in his face."

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#22444: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:42:25 PM

"He was an entitled little shit, so his dad took his toy away and threw him out on the street."

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#22445: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:44:28 PM

"She kills people, but she's hot as fuck and wears plastic wrap, so it's cool."

"He shoots arrows."

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#22446: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:44:34 PM

While it is true that you can do that, Swanpride is pointing out a big difference in Marvel and DC characters.

At least (silver age) classically, DC characters were more paragons to aspire to while Marvel characters were fucked up people with problems.

And possibly renegades.

edited 11th Nov '14 3:45:01 PM by Bocaj

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22447: Nov 11th 2014 at 3:50:57 PM

I guess it depends. Iron Man and Thor certainly aren't relatable but they do have relatable problems (alcoholism, problems with dad).

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#22448: Nov 11th 2014 at 4:07:48 PM

Stan's philosophy was that superheroes should be real people. People with their own problems and personal lives.

I'm not as familiar with the creation of Thor (although I do know that the more modern interpretation of him being the literal mythological figure was originally a more standard "normal guy picks up weapon and transforms" thing), Iron Man was a specific challenge Stan gave himself.

Most comic readers at the time were young liberal war protestors. So Stan wanted to create the exact opposite type of character, a right-wing capitalist weapons manufacturer, and still make him sympathetic to comic readers.

It worked.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22449: Nov 11th 2014 at 11:56:03 PM

My point was mostly that the origin story of Marvel character tend to be way more complicated. It is usually enough material to fill a comic book. I don't think that this is the case with DC, because they put the focus elsewhere. Their origin story is something to narrate on the first page, before diving directly into the story. By the time Batman is already punching out enemies, Spider-man has barely started to wrestle.

I have the feeling, though, that Marvel will go with a flashback construct for Dr. Strange. Because if they tell his story linear, it might end up very, very boring. I guess they will dive directly into an adventure with him and then tell piece for piece how he ended up with the abilities he has.

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#22450: Nov 12th 2014 at 3:19:05 AM

Anyone's origin could fill an entire comic book or be a one page blurb depending on how you tell it. Length and complexity are only as much as a writer can give it.

edited 12th Nov '14 3:19:43 AM by MousaThe14

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