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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22301: Nov 7th 2014 at 2:08:51 PM

The suit reminds me a bit of the second suit Lang used in the comics(the one that doesn't look like Pym's suit), mostly in the helmet. No idea where the arms come from(reminds me of the Iron Spider suit). Doesn't look that much like the Yellowjacket suit in the comics.

I'm fine with it not looking much like comic Yellowjacket because comic Yellowjacket's outfit looks kind of dumb.

The arms come from the Eric O'Grady Ant-Man suit, I think.

edited 7th Nov '14 2:09:20 PM by comicwriter

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#22302: Nov 7th 2014 at 2:13:22 PM

Eh, I was fine with the actual Yellowjacket outfit when the fins didn't look that exaggerated. It was a decent comic hero outfit, as far as comic hero outfits go.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#22303: Nov 7th 2014 at 2:17:16 PM

[up][up]On that we can agree.

Yeah, that must be where the arms come from.

Edit: As an aside, if it's revealed that Janet actually lives in the movie I really hope they base her outfit more on Mighty Avengers era instead of Uncanny(way to weird for the movies).

edited 7th Nov '14 2:29:54 PM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22306: Nov 7th 2014 at 3:26:01 PM

I don't think so. They've said before they don't like making any movie-relevant plot progression in the show because it'd essentially be holding the audience hostage and forcing them to watch it (which is why Coulson has not reappeared in any of the movies) so I can't see them doing something as huge as starting the next big movie event on the TV show.

Plus the whole theory seems to stem from the belief that Civil War is going to be an accurate adaptation of the comics, when we know for a fact that won't be the case.

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#22307: Nov 7th 2014 at 3:32:57 PM

And we're still a couple of years away from Cap 3, and there's an Avengers film coming out before that. It'd be a long time to build up Civil War in a show, when that's not even the main medium the story would be shared in.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#22308: Nov 7th 2014 at 3:40:24 PM

While I wouldn't be surprised if there was an incident resembling Stamford that's the catalyst for Civil War, the fact of the matter is A) they've specifically stated that the build up for it is Winter Solider and Age of Ultron, so it's likely that the end of the latter will be the catalyst for it; and B) even if such an incident was the cause for all of this, you don't need the New Warriors for it.

Not to mention how people who don't watch the show might get confused if the New Warriors just show up at the beginning of Civil War.

But I suppose we'll see how it goes.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22309: Nov 7th 2014 at 3:49:01 PM

I figured Ultron would be the Stamford in this situation.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22310: Nov 7th 2014 at 4:45:06 PM

One thing I never understood, was do the shoulder pads/wing things let Yellowjacket fly?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22311: Nov 7th 2014 at 4:57:14 PM

They let him look fly, if that counts.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#22313: Nov 7th 2014 at 7:26:10 PM

But of course. HYDRA must be stopped.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#22315: Nov 7th 2014 at 8:04:59 PM

I can see why. ABC and Marvel probably had issues with advertisers and stuff thinking they were going to get to pedal their wears around the premier of the AOU trailer.

WarriorEowyn from Victoria Since: Oct, 2010
#22316: Nov 7th 2014 at 9:25:41 PM

I agree that Ultron is likely to be what spurs the demands for greater oversight of superheroes (and Feige has pretty well said as much). It makes more sense than having Civil War set off by a smaller, less important event that occurs in a TV show and isn't seen in the films.

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#22317: Nov 7th 2014 at 10:10:26 PM

OH MAN YOU GUYS BIG HERO 6.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#22319: Nov 7th 2014 at 10:17:57 PM

I was...slightly underwhelmed as well. It's not a bad movie, don't get me wrong. Hell, I'd even say it's good...but not what I'd call great.

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#22320: Nov 7th 2014 at 10:19:46 PM

I WILL FIGHT ALL OF YOU RIGHT NOW.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#22321: Nov 7th 2014 at 10:21:36 PM

Dude, I'm not even mad.

How about this: what did you like about it?

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#22322: Nov 7th 2014 at 10:22:01 PM

"Mediocre" is the word I'd use. It aims to be a colorful, mildly funny and action-packed superhero film with some brief stabs at emotional resonance, and it accomplishes this.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#22323: Nov 7th 2014 at 10:40:46 PM

[up] "Mediocre" isn't quite the word I'd use. I think it was better than that implies. But after seeing people talk it up so much...I think I was hoping for more. Did I enjoy it? Yes. I think that just maybe, it needed to be...longer? I don't know.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#22324: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:09:21 PM

Tasked with improving it, I'd make the supporting cast less one-dimensional and set up the villain's backstory better.

And rewrite basically all the dialogue that isn't between Hiro and Baymax.

And make it so that our first acknowledgment that Hiro's basically on a revenge mission isn't halfway through the damn movie.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:10:01 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#22325: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:21:11 PM

[up] I thought most of the dialogue was okay, nor would I call them "one-dimensional" exactly, but otherwise I think you've basically nailed down my complaints.

Biggest problem - the villain's backstory is the entire reason the plot's occurring in the first place, and it only comes up in the last... 30 minutes?

What they needed was more time. Since they're essentially the same genre, I'm going to look at The Incredibles for comparison. That movie, I think, has pretty good pacing, and manages to get both the characterization and the villains backstory down pat. But it has about 20 minutes more than Big Hero 6 has, clocking in at nearly two hours. I don't know how they would adapt the plot to fit that length, exactly, but I really do think that's what they needed.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:24:00 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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