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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22276: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:00:31 AM

Making them elected officials sort of misses the point. Warrior Democratically Elected Officially doesn't exactly roll off the tongue like Warrior King or Warrior Princess does.

And I loved Iron Man 3 Iron Man's look.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:00:54 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22278: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:04:51 AM

Weren't you just the one who said you don't want royals? (ROYALS)

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22279: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:08:43 AM

[up]Yeah, and I stand by it, but if there has to be any, I insist on the title of a queen for the co-ruler instead of "princess".

They can also do something along the line of "Black Panther is King because he proved himself worthy of the title"...that would work, too....

edited 7th Nov '14 11:10:09 AM by Swanpride

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#22280: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:10:46 AM

...She is already called Queen Medusa(full name Medusalith Amaquelin-Boltagon).

Edit: Those who enjoyed Gotg1 might like the fact that the run that it took most of its names and locations from(commonly called Gotg 2008 or Dn A!Gotg)had an arc with the Inhumans. They fought and later worked together.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:17:00 AM by LordofLore

Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#22281: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:16:55 AM

[up][up] Well, since Black Bolt can obliterate entire armies by opening his mouth, I'd say if anyone's worthy he is.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:17:13 AM by Rvdz

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#22282: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:18:21 AM

[up][up][up]....I'm not sure where you're getting that. I said Warrior Princess because of a certain warrior princess not anything in the MCU.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#22283: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:20:14 AM

I'd say let's just go with that is already the thing instead of imposing your standards of leadership.

I wonder if T'Challa is worthy to weild Myeh-Myeh. I have a strong feeling Namor isn't.

And on that note, I wonder what this scene is actually like. I just noticed Hawkeye is the one who says the first line, not Tony, and he jumps around a lot in this. Lots of cuts done here.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:22:52 AM by wanderlustwarrior

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22284: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:24:37 AM

Honestly I don't like fandoms insistence that all their favorite characters should be worthy of wielding Mjolnir any way because it makes Thor seem really redundant.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#22285: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:27:46 AM

Well it's a good thing no one's doing that here.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:28:04 AM by wanderlustwarrior

WarriorEowyn from Victoria Since: Oct, 2010
#22286: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:38:41 AM

[up][up]

It's because Thor's not really the moral paragon of the group. He's a better person than Stark (low low bar), but logically it can be tough to parse a definition of "worthy" that allows Thor to wield it and not any of the other main heroes.

It would be easier to understand if the requirement was "only Thor can wield this, and Thor can only wield it if he's worthy". Then there's a merit-based restriction on Thor wielding Mjolnir, but he's still the only one who can use it. But that's not what Marvel decided to go with.

edited 7th Nov '14 11:40:07 AM by WarriorEowyn

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22288: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:41:26 AM

[up]

No, everyone knows that Thanos can wield it!

He's a very dedicated person especially with love.

/s

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22289: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:41:36 AM

I just think that multiple royals is a little bit much of the same, especially if the topic are made-up societies. A little bit creativity would be nice.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#22290: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:45:05 AM

We just had an interplanetary federation in GOTG. Meanwhile, you haven't stated a reason to not have royals besides that you just don't want it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#22291: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:49:02 AM

[up]I just did. It's lacking creativity. Can you imagine how many interesting storyline you could do with a society which doesn't follow the "you are either obedient to your king or you are the villain/a traitor" trope?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22292: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:49:35 AM

It's all in the execution. I doubt they'll make Wakanda and Attilan exactly like Asgard.

edited 7th Nov '14 1:24:20 PM by comicwriter

maxwellelvis Mad Scientist Wannabe from undisclosed location Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: In my bunk
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#22293: Nov 7th 2014 at 11:54:25 AM

Someone in this thread kept trying to insist Hawkeye should wield Mjolnir.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#22295: Nov 7th 2014 at 12:04:44 PM

I think his argument was that Hawkeye had potential or redemption or something. We all pointed at that anyone would have potential with how little we know about Hawkeye.

Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the Great
Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22296: Nov 7th 2014 at 12:06:14 PM

[up]

Also there's no Hawkeye movie.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
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#22297: Nov 7th 2014 at 12:07:21 PM

[up]Yeah, that was it. Hawkeye has no movie, ergo letting him lift the hammer is instant character development. That we'd never see.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#22298: Nov 7th 2014 at 12:19:50 PM

Oh, I must have skipped that.

That's...
I'm not going to dignify that with a response.

[down]That, however, just let it go.

edited 7th Nov '14 1:31:01 PM by wanderlustwarrior

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#22299: Nov 7th 2014 at 1:24:51 PM

"I'm holding Thor's hammer! Am I interesting yet? Guys..."

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#22300: Nov 7th 2014 at 1:30:23 PM

4. I hope that they "forget" the royalty aspect though (btw, I hope they also skip if for Black Panther). Honestly, was is wrong with elected leaders?

There's no such thing as a fantasy democracy! Democracy sits alone and unloved in a dark pit, where its only companion is work ethic!

More seriously, as much as the first world has largely fallen out of love with the concept of the Divine Right to Rule, our storytelling is still fascinated by it. A fantasy Good government can't be democratic because we distrust politicians; it's the same reason why a fantasy Hero can't have gotten where he is through hard work and effort because we distrust anyone who would become talented at killing people of their own volition: deep down, we suspect that anyone who would work that hard to get into the kind of position the story requires of such a role is harboring a nefarious agenda of their own.

This paradoxical concept leaves us with only people who were born into the role or just stumbled into it by chance to be our forces of Good. We want a benevolent ruler, but we don't want anybody who would deliberately try to claim the throne, and monarchy allows just such a virtuous but unambitious ruler to be automatically granted the throne so that they can rule justly and selflessly. It's more or less the companion to the Chosen One.

I, personally, think it's stupid, but that's the trend.

edited 7th Nov '14 1:31:47 PM by TobiasDrake

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