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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145626: Aug 2nd 2022 at 6:41:56 PM

Is Ruffalo confirmed for anymore works after She-Hulk? Is it possible it could be his exit? Also, I'm assuming the agreement with Universal includes any character that primarily falls under the "Hulk" umbrella, so She-Hulk still wouldn't be able to have solo movies, right?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145627: Aug 2nd 2022 at 8:35:33 PM

She wouldn't be able to have solo films either, no.

Though at least She-Hulk has way more connections they can utilize to make her showing up in other characters' films less of an issue. Plus one of the big problems with Banner is that his central conflicts tend to be extremely personal and wrapped up in his own mythos and baggage, so you basically have to take most of that away when he shows up in another character's story. She-Hulk thankfully doesn't really have that problem.

Hell, they could make Shulkie a regular in the Fantastic Four movies, drawing on the characters' long standing history with one another - that is, if the FF don't turn out to be decade throwback films.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 2nd 2022 at 8:38:27 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#145628: Aug 3rd 2022 at 2:43:02 AM

But I quite like Professor Hulk and having someone who isn't massively traumatized

But Bruce Banner is heavily traumatized, it's where the Hulk and all his anger issues come from.

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#145629: Aug 3rd 2022 at 2:56:50 AM

There is no evidence of that in the MCU, that's what started this whole conversation.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145630: Aug 3rd 2022 at 3:16:52 AM

Bruce still had a lot of baggage about the Hulk in the first two Avengers movies. But Hulk got more "intelligent" during his time between Age of Ultron and Thor: Ragnarok, and during the 5 years between Avengers Infinity War and Endgame, Bruce finally got over things on his end.

So Bruce WAS traumatized. But, he's not anymore.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145631: Aug 3rd 2022 at 3:51:02 AM

But you could treat the Devil Hulk as a Goblin-like figure that is always there, just biding its time, just waiting for the right opportunity to surface and take control of the Hulk. That, or Bruce experiences some kind of event in his life that pushes him over the edge and causes him to start to lose control.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145632: Aug 3rd 2022 at 3:54:07 AM

I do remember this one line from Daredevil, along the lines of "Happiness is fleeting, its only temporary. Contentment, to be content and satisfied, that ones the one to have."

So I guess it depends on how content Bruce is.

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#145633: Aug 3rd 2022 at 5:38:09 AM

It's ironic that the character whose powerset is most based on anger would become the most mentally balanced of them all. Also ironically, fans have an intense hatred for characters who are generally content with themselves and their lives.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#145634: Aug 3rd 2022 at 6:59:11 AM

Us a few pages ago: “It sucks how Peter Parker keeps getting forced into misery. He should be allowed to have an emotionally stable life.”

Us now: “Emotionally stable Hulk is boring. I wish he would somehow relapse into trauma and misery.”

Not a criticism, just an ironic observation. tongue

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Disasturbator
#145635: Aug 3rd 2022 at 7:02:06 AM

Man-spider in the MCU when?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145636: Aug 3rd 2022 at 7:20:23 AM

Bruce did say in Avengers that he’s always angry

I imagine some of his jovial friend to all attitude is his way of keeping that under control. Even when he integrated his personality with the Hulk I imagine the anger didn’t go away, it’s still something he manages

There’s a lot of sad clowns in the MCU

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 3rd 2022 at 10:21:26 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#145637: Aug 3rd 2022 at 7:25:02 AM

Bruce is literally possessed by his own rage,the poor man

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The Tapestry Weaver
#145638: Aug 3rd 2022 at 7:54:10 AM

Us a few pages ago: "It sucks how Peter Parker keeps getting forced into misery. He should be allowed to have an emotionally stable life."

Us now: "Emotionally stable Hulk is boring. I wish he would somehow relapse into trauma and misery."

Guess we gotta solve these two problems by creating Spider-Hulk

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145639: Aug 3rd 2022 at 8:06:36 AM

When are we getting a Disney Plus series for Man-Thing. If they give it 12 episodes instead of the usual 6 it could be Giant Sized Man-Thing

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Former King
#145640: Aug 3rd 2022 at 8:13:51 AM

I always get him and Swamp Thing confused. I'm just grateful Swamp Thing is much more common in non-comics portrayals.

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#145641: Aug 3rd 2022 at 8:18:40 AM

I don't see why we can't have a Spider-Hulk. There is, after all, a Spider-Herc already.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145642: Aug 3rd 2022 at 8:22:36 AM

I remember being so sure a couple years ago that the third MCU Spider-Man film was going to be Spider-Island. I still think it would've been a great idea.

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Funny but not helpful
#145643: Aug 3rd 2022 at 8:45:06 AM

It’d be an interesting idea for a movie, Peter comes into his own and becomes his own man after two movies of trust falling at father figures. Finally confident about spider man suddenly everyone is spider man

Not sure how it would have followed up from the framed for murder thing though

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#145644: Aug 3rd 2022 at 8:53:29 AM

Someone found a really cool Easter Egg regarding Avengers: The Kang Dynasty!

In the Hawkeye show, tons of stuff from what was left of the Avengers Compound was sold in the black market, including a watch belonging to Laura Barton. Not only is the watch a nod to how she might be Mockingbird, but the watch also had a tag, which read "Lot Number 268 – Avengers Compound." Avengers issue 268 happens to be the first issue in the "Kang Dynasty" storyline!

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145645: Aug 3rd 2022 at 9:03:06 AM

Not sure how it would have followed up from the framed for murder thing though

I figure it would've been something like "Spider-Man gets framed for causing the spider mutations throughout the city, and has to investigate as Peter Parker to avoid getting arrested and clear his name." Which would allow them to lean into one of the best things about Spider-Island: that it was one of the only times Peter was able to really express himself as Peter without jeopardizing his secret identity.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145646: Aug 3rd 2022 at 11:09:10 AM

On Hulk, looking into the Professor Hulk, it's not like sane and rageless Hulk hasn't been a thing.

The issue with movie Professor is that he doesn't come across as much of a badass.

The original Professor from what I'm getting was a science hero jack of all trades Hulk. He didn't have the Hulk's normal endless rage but he still incredibly strong which combined with his greater control and intelligence arguably made him more of a threat.

Ans then there's Doc Green the Omega Hulk which is when Savage Hulk injects himself with Extremis to become a super genius. He was also an ultra badass who at one point forcibly depowered a lot of gamma Mutants under the belief their lives would be better off as normal humans (except Jen cause she's the only one whose not a mess).

So I guess with Professor Hulk they just have to make him not come across as a wimp I guess.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145647: Aug 3rd 2022 at 11:14:41 AM

To be fair, the implication in Endgame is that he is a badass science hero, it's just that whatever heroics he does on his own is offscreen and he's only ever appeared in the last few appearances as a scientific advisor for whatever story is going on.

It's as always just a consequence of him not being able to have his own plots.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 3rd 2022 at 11:15:08 AM

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Lost in Space
#145648: Aug 3rd 2022 at 12:24:23 PM

There's also the ongoing Reed Richards Is Useless problem of having all these amazing scientific geniuses in the MCU but the rest of the world basically remaining at a modern status quo, save for the occasional demonic or alien invasion.

Professor Hulk's offscreen impact might be more significant to audiences if we saw everyday people driving Hulk Hovercars, getting electricity from Hulk Reactors, having their cancers cured by Hulk Radiation, or whatever.

Modern Stasis seems to be in effect, meaning that the only value these uber-smart characters can have is within the narrow confines of their own portfolios. This is why Wakanda gets to be incredibly futuristic: it's not a real place.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 3rd 2022 at 3:25:19 PM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145649: Aug 3rd 2022 at 12:31:07 PM

I think it wouldn't have hurt to have given Hulk a little more room to strut in the final battle of Endgame but then you could pull a The Hobbit and have a entire third film devoted entirely to the last battle to give everyone the fanservice awesome moment they deserve.

I've always thought they should be doing that whole run at each other thing and have Hulk stop short and do his thunderclap move, knocking over the front rank and giving the hero's change the advantage.

But it's also like more Badass moments for Hawkeye, the supporting characters and Lady Sif and she wasn't even there. There's only so much they can fit in.

Edited by dcutter2 on Aug 3rd 2022 at 8:36:46 PM

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Lost in Space
#145650: Aug 3rd 2022 at 12:31:51 PM

Hulk literally brought half of everyone in the universe back by snapping the Infinity Gauntlet. It doesn't get much more significant than that.

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