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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#145601: Aug 2nd 2022 at 2:36:27 AM

Ruffalo!Bruce (in human form) is actually one of the more chill iterations I think. Comics version or even Norton!Bruce seemed a bit more edgy and irritable even in human form.

I can't see Norton!Bruce taking Tony zapping him in the first Avengers movie, he'd not Hulk out but he'd certainly be more irate about it.

Edited by jakobitis on Aug 2nd 2022 at 10:39:59 AM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145602: Aug 2nd 2022 at 2:57:33 AM

IIRC The Incredible Hulk was written in such Broad Strokes that it could be seen as a sequel to the 2003 Ang Lee Hulk movie or not as the viewer preferred. (He starts out in hiding in South America and has already a history with Ross etc which is where he ended up in 2003 Hulk)

So he sort of has a Schrodinger's backstory of abuse that may or may not have happened. Hopefully She-Hulk will actually explain and give some explanation of his the differences of his issues and Jen's.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145603: Aug 2nd 2022 at 4:35:16 AM

Bruce having settled into the Professor Hulk persona makes me wonder how they're going to pull off World War Hulk if the rumors of adapting it are true. He'd have to lose control of the Hulk again, either through the Devil Hulk surfacing, or through some sort of external factor. Maybe the temporal fuckery allows Maestro to enter this timeline, or Skaar and/or Hiro-Kala find him and the shock of finding out that he has several sons who both despise him and want him dead throws his control off and causes him to regress.

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The Tapestry Weaver
#145604: Aug 2nd 2022 at 8:06:43 AM

I haven't heard any World War Hulk rumors.

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Lost in Space
#145605: Aug 2nd 2022 at 9:48:53 AM

For a minute there I was getting World War Hulk confused with Planet Hulk, because that storyline was adapted for Thor: Ragnarok.

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#145606: Aug 2nd 2022 at 9:53:45 AM

Planet Hulk is Hulk going to another planet and freeing it from tyranny to become its new king, ending with an unexplained explosion that kills everyone he worked so hard to save, including his new wife.

World War Hulk is Hulk going to Earth and declaring war on all the superheroes there because he thinks they caused the explosion.

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Lost in Space
#145607: Aug 2nd 2022 at 10:02:02 AM

Then Planet War Hulk is when Hulk goes to fight a literal planet, and War World Hulk is when Hulk becomes a planet and fights wars against other planets. I think I'm getting it now. Thanks for the info.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 2nd 2022 at 1:02:16 PM

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#145608: Aug 2nd 2022 at 10:04:44 AM

Think one of the Disney cartoons actually did make Hulk a planet, temporarily.

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Lost in Space
#145609: Aug 2nd 2022 at 10:05:34 AM

Oh, my god. I thought I was joking about Marvel's habit of reusing titles. Next thing someone will tell me there's a storyline in which Ant Man and Squirrel Girl reenact Watership Down.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 2nd 2022 at 1:06:44 PM

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#145610: Aug 2nd 2022 at 10:10:30 AM

There was also the Planet Hulk: Secret Wars short series where everyone on the Earth is a Hulk (except one Steve Rogers.)

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Lost in Space
#145611: Aug 2nd 2022 at 10:14:05 AM

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

(cries in a corner)

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#145612: Aug 2nd 2022 at 10:23:18 AM

Also, I think one of the events in Planet Hulk was Hulk pulling two continental sheets together, which is kinda like fighting a planet.

DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#145613: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:02:20 AM

I remember they made an animated movie, but with a happy ending.

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#145614: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:11:16 AM

It's easy to give Planet Hulk a happy ending. You just have to stop at his coronation and not adapt the part where his spaceship suddenly explodes and kills everyone.

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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#145615: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:14:16 AM

In fact, they can adapt Planet Hulk with a happy ending, if they want to give the character a definitive farewell.

HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#145616: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:21:30 AM

So the part they adapted for Ragnarok is just the beginning, yes? Hulk starts his uprising by gaining fame and fortune in the planet's gladiator games, just like Russell Crowe? I know they copied his gladiator regalia pretty faithfully.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145617: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:31:54 AM

I'd be down if MCU Banner just had a happy ending that was unique to the MCU. A lot of what I like about MCU Banner is unique to the MCU anyway, and imo it'd be a mistake to repeat what happened with Peter Parker and go so hard in trying to force the comic status quo (though, as well, I also argue that they didn't so much as force Pete's comics status so much as an inaccurate exaggeration of it) that they throw away what makes the character as adapted fun.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145618: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:33:08 AM

Unless they somehow have MCU Hulk do Planet Hulk all over again they can't use that start for World War Hulk though yeah as WWH ended with Diabolus ex Machina pointed out above I guess you don't really need it.

You can just have Hulk become really pissed off at the heroes for some other reason. But really why would you want to? WWH was good because the characters had been asses and people wanted to see their butts kicked. The MCU lot are generally liked afaik and it wouldn't be as cathartic.

I'm generally against hero vs hero stories anyway.

Edited by dcutter2 on Aug 2nd 2022 at 7:33:51 PM

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#145619: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:35:28 AM

[up][up]I mean, doesn't he sort of already have that happy ending? He's integrated the Hulk and Banner, is famous, happy and presumably fairly well off.

DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#145620: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:45:52 AM

Although it is noteworthy that there is a part of the fandom, which wants Savage Hulk to return.

Because Banner being friends with his second personality means they're happy, and the fans don't want Banner to be happy.


[up]*3. There is also a What if from Planet Hulk which surprisingly has a happy ending.

Basically Hulk ends up falling on the planet that was the original route, at first Hulk and Banner didn't get along, and they played practical jokes (and for Banner, potentially deadly), but eventually both personalities merged, and the new personality began to be happy in your new home.

Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:53:05 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#145621: Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:56:26 AM

And ages later, Hulk/Banner have farmed the planet into a world with sapient life where the Hulk is an ancient creator myth but he lives as an anonymous bystander.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 2nd 2022 at 11:56:50 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145622: Aug 2nd 2022 at 3:59:04 PM

From what I'm getting a lot of people approve of the trauma button because current Hulk is so boring that anything that makes him even a little interesting again would be worth it.

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ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#145623: Aug 2nd 2022 at 5:58:55 PM

[up]I mean, everyone's in their own internet bubbles, but I've never seen that and tend to disagree with it? Bruce isn't particularly fascinating because Bruce is a side character in other people's movies. But I quite like Professor Hulk and having someone who isn't massively traumatized and actually enjoys being a superhero is extremely refreshing.

Honestly, one of my favorite parts of Ms. Marvel was the extent to which she wanted to be a superhero and then enjoyed getting that. Success and happiness are not boring and trauma is not interesting.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145624: Aug 2nd 2022 at 6:18:22 PM

Isn't that already a lot of Marvel characters here though? A good deal of characters are pretty cheerful and enjoy being a superhero, hell Thor has little suffering or sadness now.

If anything a character being genuinely introspective and humorless would make for a more unique experience by contrast.

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ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#145625: Aug 2nd 2022 at 6:25:16 PM

[up]I mean, I strongly disagree that that's Thor's character given his backstory and clear trauma responses throughout his last two movies? But besides Ms. Marvel, I'm struggling to think of another character the happy-go-lucky description does apply to.

Now, I agree, the MCU is painfully short on both straight men (in the comic, not sexuality sense) and relatively humorless non-bad-guys, but 'funny' and 'happy' aren't really the same thing.

Edited by ECD on Aug 2nd 2022 at 6:25:53 AM


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