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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah but both wikipedia and the MCU wikia consider it officially apart of the MCU. The only thing pushing it in the non-canon sense is Word of God, not an official statement by Marvel Studios.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!Word of God is an official statement. If it were Word of Dante from just one of the actors, that would be suspect, but I'd expect the showrunner to have just as much authority/knowledge on how it connects as the main studio. That this was clarified the very day of release, combined with the main star doubling down a few days later, makes it pretty clear cut to me.
I generally rely on the main Marvel wiki for continuity issues. They're pretty on the ball with regards to that, whereas the MCU wiki gets hung up on all sorts of unimportant minor details—outside the recent "MCU!Marc Spector was part of the Marines because that was his comic origin" thing, I once saw them successfully argue for using an actor's beard hair growth to accurately map out a timeline, which pretty much killed any credibility it had for me.
MCU Wiki also keeps insisting that Baby Groot is the same as the original Groot.....despite Word of God saying the contrary.
Edited by Forenperser on Aug 1st 2022 at 4:35:21 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianRandom off topic goofy idea. Can we put The One With… short descriptions in front of each MCU installment's main page like we have for each James Bond film? It'd be kinda funny to see what people come up with.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Aug 1st 2022 at 8:56:12 AM
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."I'd rather not. That sort of thing may sound fun on paper but it almost always gets out of hand.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Well tbh my credibility for it comes more from wikipedia then anything else, as seen here
. The MCU wikia usually like it was said is more for continuity and in depth things. Wikipedia tends to skew towards straight facts.
Also regarding the one with suggestion, can't it just be its own page? like the laconic pages? unless I'm misunderstanding how laconic works.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!Wikipedia appears to be citing Helstrom as a stand-alone story in the franchise based off earlier comments on it being “siloed off,” which doesn’t really acknowledge the later Looper interviews where they clarify it’s completely its own thing. Like, they still cite one of them secondhand, but as a continuation of the “siloed off” statement. Feels like a big mistake, and I know one of the MCU wiki mods who is super-insistent on all the shows being canon has a Wikipedia account, so I wouldn’t put much stock in it.
Well I would take more stock in an official statement from Marvel Studios vs a one-off interview from the director. But since we're going back and forth I wanted someone to weigh in as a tie-breaker. Directors say stuff all the time that gets disregarded by later projects by the big studios. Right now I'm still trying to figure out if I Am Groot is sacred timeline or multiversal series. James Gunn says its set on Earth-314 but Marvel Studios says its main continuity.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!It was clearly intended to be part of the MCU, but something appears to have changed as the non-Disney+ shows got phased out. The showrunner’s statement on the day of release is the most up to date information we have, and as you said Marvel Studios itself hasn’t really commented since then.
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Aug 1st 2022 at 12:57:41 PM
Well I guess that's the case then. I'm not sure how to feel about that. But I never saw the show so I guess it doesn't really matter. I swear I wish Marvel would put out an official list for all MCU content. Someone is going to have to update the MCU wikia and wikipedia sections, but I'm not gonna do it.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!The Baby Groot situation is awkward, because he sprouted from some twigs that were supercharged by the Power Gem. So the question of what, exactly, he is is a bit confusing, especially since we know absolutely nothing about floral colossus reproduction.
It seems unlikely that they typically reproduce by breaking off parts of themselves and then using an Infinity Gem to supercharge those parts until they sprout into a new being. So Baby Groot probably isn't, like, Groot's child. But he certainly doesn't behave like Groot. He acts like a brand new being brought into existence. So this isn't a resurrection situation either.
I think the closest reasonable assessment of Baby Groot is something like a clone. The Power Gem allowed for a copy of Groot to grow from those twigs, but this copy does not have continuity of consciousness from the original Groot. For all intents and purposes, he is a new lifeform that happens to be identical to a previously existing lifeform.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Aug 1st 2022 at 6:57:08 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.The only hint that Groot Jr was Groot Sr reborn was a deleted scene where Groot Sr is seen dancing by Drax and learns Drax doesn’t like that, hence why Baby Groot freezes when Drax sees him dancing. Groot reincarnating from a single twig is also how it works in the comics. But they turned out the writers went with something different here.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 1st 2022 at 8:41:14 AM
I looked into it to see if Gunn ever answered this, and it turns out he said MCU Baby Groot isn't the original reincarnated
.
If the Marvel Cinematic Universe had a Grand Finale, what should it be?
None. The MCU seeks to ape the comics, and the comics are built on being eternal, never-ending. There's no "logical endpoint" for a eternal universe because it just wraps back around like a moebius strip.
If you're judging in terms of Serial Escalation, though, I think the 2015 Secret Wars is the highest level of stakes Marvel has reached in any of these events considering it deals with the entire multiverse being on the firing line.
People (me included) have argued since forever is that it's silly to keep chasing ever higher stakes and that the MCU should just acclimatize to lower-scale stories. But if the trend is "keep going until you reach maximum stakes" I think the 2015 Secret Wars event is the highest stakes you're possibly getting and thus they should stop there if they have no plans to diversify stakes.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."At some point, Marvel will basically become the Disney Channel for random superheroes getting their own shows. Most of them will suck. Some of them might be neat. But they won't all intersect like before.
Soon, serialized storytelling in the MCU's style will be a thing of the past. And we will all look wistfully back on the glory days, but know deep down that its ultimate defeat was the right thing to happen.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."Huh this post about Bruce got me thinking
Huh yeah compared to the rest of the Avengers, what do we know about Bruce's life before?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Bruce got hurt pretty bad by the odd situation of his first MCU movie blowing past Bruce's backstory in response to the preceding film, followed by Disney not wanting to make any movies specifically about him due to the distribution issue with Universal.
He's not the only one, though. A surprising amount of the MCU's heroes are basically cyphers preceding their introduction. But until Jen, Bruce also barely had anyone who knew him personally (seeing as Betty's been written out the series for - like - ever) which makes his more obvious. To compare, we know basically nothing about T'Chala pre-Civil War, but the fact that we know his family and can infer so much off of their relationships does the work a backstory would instead.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 2nd 2022 at 1:40:39 AM

So I've got a question. I've been trying to figure out if Helstrom is apart of the MCU. I done research, and it's accepted as apart of the MCU on both wikipedia and the MCU wikia, yet there is also Word of God saying that it is not in the MCU.
I know that it was supposed to be apart of Marvel Television's cancelled Adventure into Fear franchise, but when Marvel Television was folded into Marvel Studios, Everything either got cancelled or ended. So I just want to figure it out, mainly so I know whether or not to add the characters into the main MCU characters pages.
It's gonna be fun on the bun!