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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Peter: "I'm going to latch onto you as a father figure"
Tony: "Cool! I have no healthy framework for how dads work so hopefully I can be that for you from miles away and with infrequent conversations"
Peter: "..."
Tony: "That's how my dad did it"
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI would say the last Spider-Man projects have been a bit too crossoverish for its own good.
And not even in a Batman The Brave and The Bold way which did it masterfully, stuff like Marvel's Spider-Man where it was too obsessed with constant nonstop guest stars and forcing Spidey to be in a "team" at the expense of the character.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Seriously. Spider-Man was Wolverine before Wolverine. There have been multiple comic series whose entire premise is "XYZ character teams up with Spider-Man, specifically." This issue, Spider-Man and Hawkeye team up. Next issue, Spider-Man meets the Power Pack. Issue after that, Spider-Man and Jean Grey go on an adventure!
There is no character in the entire Marvel Universe who gets around as much as Spidey. Sticking his nose into everything that's happening, everywhere, is his whole shtick.
Even in his own comic, do you know how long it took Spidey to cross over with another character? Amazing Spider-Man #1 (1962). Spider-Man tries to join the Fantastic Four in the very first issue of his very first series ever printed.
This is a core facet of Spider-Man. He is the #1 Marvel Crossover Guy.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 31st 2022 at 6:01:52 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Of course, the thing about those teamups is they're one-and-dones. Spidey will cross paths with other heroes, and they'll work together to stop whatever villain they're both chasing, but it doesn't result in a lasting partnership. For a long while, it was a recurring joke that any attempt Spider-Man made to join the Avengers would go disastrously.
I think the internal logic is that, while Spidey's constant quipping is amusing for us, for the people who actually have to interact with him, it's annoying as hell. Sort of the same reaction Deadpool gets.
The various Marvel superheroes also don't like playing poker with Spidey too often either. His Spider Sense gives him a bit of an unfair advantage.
It's actually kind of interesting to note that a lot of what Spidey did as a superhero was more or less on autopilot — his Spider Sense did a lot of the work for him. Which is why Venom always gave him a hard time — the Symbiote doesn't trigger his Spider Sense due to its initial bonding with him.
Edited by M84 on Jul 31st 2022 at 10:22:38 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedFor me, at least, Spiderman was essentially the "Mascot" of The Marvel universe, so that makes sense.
Leviticus 19:34Avenger 09: Freedom Force technically zig-zags aesthetically between Golden and Silver Age. Marvel did a delightful Golden Age Genre Throwback of sorts in Captain America - The First Avenger. Personally I'd really enjoy if the Fantastic Four film really took after Silver Age aesthetics. In many ways the Fantastic Four do really make a incredible representative of that period of comics with their focus on pscychedellic cosmic shenanigans.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Pretty much, yes. Readers find Spider-Man hilarious and delightful, and can relate to him easily because they see his internal struggle. But in-universe, other characters typically find him obnoxious and also a bit creepy. This is a guy who creepy-crawls along the ceiling, looks down at you to make a bad pun, then slinks away into an air vent - When he's not spraying his goo everywhere. He's kind of unnerving to be around.
Also he takes his secret identity deathly serious and often won't even unmask around other superheroes. Even when he joined the Avengers, there was a point where they couldn't cut him his paycheck because they can't write checks to "Spider-Man". So that creeps people out too.
These are all facets of his character we haven't really gotten to see before the MCU, since he had to exist in a vacuum far away from other supers. And now that he's in the MCU, we still haven't gotten to see it because the whole Tony Stark Jr. thing got in the way.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 31st 2022 at 8:52:24 AM
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The last 2 cartoons were all about giving him a team.
Ultimate Spider-Man started out with him being a member and roommates with Nova, Luke Cage, Ironfist, and White Tiger. Later on he became leader to another group of characters like Cloak and Dagger and spider subsidiaries like Agent Venom and Steel Spider.
The next cartoon did the same thing, with Peter being apart of a team of spider characters including Miles, Gwen, and Anya.
It's pretty evident what they want for him there.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Even Batman's mask shows his chin and mouth.
Tellingly, Batman's own Anti-Hero Substitute Jean Paul Valley's costume had a full face mask. And it was creepy as hell.
Disgusted, but not surprisedThough the Beyond suit has that issue of being a skin-tight mask over his face. Like it looks fine in a simplified 2D plane but the Arkham games had a realistic detailed depiction of the suit and it looked really off.
Also a thought I just had on the topic of Peter's friends. I think that while of course Ned and MJ shouldn't be removed, at the same time Peter should be allowed to form relationships with new people.
Like say he gets a job at Horizon Labs, he has to interact with people there. He develops a new mentor relationship with Max Modell and a rapport with any co-worker who happens to share similar ideals in science. Someone noted before that both Peter 1 and Peter 2 barely ever talked to more than a handful of people in their lives so yeah maybe Peter 3 should be allowed to associate with more than just 2 people at all times.
Its not like Peter hasn't previously had work friends and personal friends before.
Edited by slimcoder on Aug 1st 2022 at 1:40:09 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."The expressiveness or lack thereof of Spider-Man's mask never occurred to me as a reason why other superheroes might find him difficult to work with. In fact, that seems borderline weird, especially since Tony also has a full-face helmet. Peter takes his mask off when he's off-duty, anyway.
The cheating at cards thing I'll grant you, although in the modern era superheroes would have to be pretty bored in general to resort to poker games to pass the time. I'd say the quippiness and inappropriate sense of when to mouth off in a fight might be a deal-breaker, but in the MCU that's literally every character.
The comics can take more time to establish why Spidey isn't set up to be a team player, but the MCU doesn't seem to have done that. In fact, Peter has been aces every time he's teamed up. The only critical problem I can see is that most of the Avengers have lives outside of Avenging (Avengering?), and he has friends and school to deal with, aka the inherent problem with being a teenage superhero.
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 1st 2022 at 8:11:20 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Well, sure, but Tony "War Crimes" Stark seemed unconcerned about it during Captain America: Civil War, so...
Maybe what the MCU needs is some sort of school, or academy, where enhanced children can go to be trained in the responsible use of their powers. Hmm...
Edited by Fighteer on Aug 1st 2022 at 9:34:40 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

What Peter seems starved for in particular is affection from a father figure. Ever since losing his own parents and later Uncle Ben he hasn't had a single decent father figure. Aunt May was there for him to be the maternal figure he needed thankfully.
That's why several of his more notable enemies are twisted takes on father figures in a lot of media such as Norman Osborne. It's also why he latched on to Tony Stark for a while.
Edited by M84 on Jul 31st 2022 at 8:33:05 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised