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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145426: Jul 30th 2022 at 7:25:06 PM

Maybe it was just an excuse to have Jonah have more scenes / do more stuff in the movie. In addition to getting laughs from the audience ranting about Spider-Man, he's also getting laughs from the audience ranting about money for the wedding.

Which amusingly makes John himself something of a prop. Dude could've been a stepladder for all it mattered, as long as that stepladder was (somehow) JJJ's son.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2022 at 7:25:40 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145427: Jul 30th 2022 at 7:27:57 PM

It is absolutely hilarious learning that this same guy actually headlined his own comic series where he was a werewolf superhero called Man-Wolf in space barbarian battles

Fucking Hell man [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 30th 2022 at 7:31:07 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145428: Jul 30th 2022 at 7:44:04 PM

The first adaptation to use Man-Wolf at all was, like, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoonright? Spectacular gave him a mutation that turned him into a violent antihero with a tenuous grip on sanity, but it was an original roid-rage style thing.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2022 at 7:44:14 AM

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#145429: Jul 30th 2022 at 7:45:21 PM

Colonel Jupiter

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145430: Jul 30th 2022 at 7:55:19 PM

Oh yeah it was Colonel Jupiter in Spectacular

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diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145431: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:23:05 PM

For a second there when I saw Ultimate Spider-Man I confused it with Spider-Man Unlimited... Damn, that was a weird show.

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#145432: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:40:51 PM

Fun fact: The Colonel Jupiter thing did happen in the comics... veeeeery briefly. It was basically a one-shot story long before the whole Man-Wolf thing, ending with John being cured of the Jupiter spores mid-fight. Then those powers went away and never came up again. Ever.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145433: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:41:24 PM

The weirdest thing about Spider-Man Unlimited is that I could swear that, at the time, they actually advertised it as a sequel show to Spider-Man: The Animated Series when it was nothing of the sort.

[up] Spectacular with the deep cuts as usual.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 30th 2022 at 8:48:41 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#145434: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:45:16 PM

[up][up]

I don't think Unlimited was officially a sequel, but it did have the Spider-Man: The Animated Series musical theme in the opening episode when Peter put on his costume.

MJ was in that first episode, but it was open ended enough that you could assume Peter did manage to find her after the end of TAS.

[up] Yeah, I also heard Colnel Jupiter was actually a thing from the comics. You can always count on someone digging up super obscure shit and making it fun.

You hear that Disney? Spectacular was fun. Maybe you should be showing it instead of trying to re-invent the wheel.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145435: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:52:10 PM

Should prolly also tell Sony that.

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diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#145436: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:54:02 PM

It had one of the best uses of the black symbiote when Peter still had it - Taking his body out crime fighting while he's asleep, defeating the Sinister Six in the process.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#145437: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:55:39 PM

Oh yeah. That was some good shit.

[up][up] As I understand it, Sony gave up the animation rights to keep the film rights.

That's why the show got cancelled and we got Ultimate.

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#145438: Jul 30th 2022 at 8:58:48 PM

Apparently Dan Slott also thought that Unlimited was a sequel to TAS, since Spider-Verse portays them as the same universe.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145439: Jul 30th 2022 at 9:45:02 PM

Man the Symbiote Sinister Six fight was some next level stuff

There's a reason why the Spider's Shadow comic portrayed Venom-Peter as near absolutely unstoppable.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145440: Jul 31st 2022 at 2:36:22 AM

Ya know the ending of Thor L&T and Spider-Man No Way Home has got me thinking when we'll get heroes whose status quo's are kinda sad.

Like say homeless heroes, cause there is a large portion of Marvel characters who live very unfortunate lives. The heroic symbiote users are actually a pretty good example of this, Eddie Brock, Flash Thompson, and Andi Benton have all spent large portions of careers basically homeless with no stability and very little of a support system like friends or family.

Worsened by factors like Eddie having to take care of a son and his inability to do so since he can barely take care of himself, Flash falling off the wagon and descending into severe alcoholism, and Andi a young woman no older than Kamala stuck in New York all alone and having to sleep under bridges or woman shelters.

Just generally the opposite of say Ms. Marvel where Kamala has a home full of a supporting family and friends or Thor L&T where Thor has cutesy sugary sweet scenes with Love as they engage in fun father and daughter adventures.

It make for an interesting tonal contrast to have a superhero who have very little next to nothing and really struggle as a result.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145441: Jul 31st 2022 at 2:57:39 AM

[up] that is spidey as of NWH though?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145442: Jul 31st 2022 at 3:05:25 AM

That is what gave me the thought. Peter is currently on that line though luckily he's not homeless since he's snagged himself an apartment building.

I wonder if we'll get more heroes with similar shite living conditions.

On further thought Ghost Rider is also typically homeless, tending to be the wanderer guys who rides across the country sleeping in whatever inns or bathrooms they can find.

I think cosmic heroes also tend to lack any housing as well. Unlike the Guardians who have a ship, guys like Nova and Quasar due to being able to fly under their own power don't have really have a base.

Actually now that I think about it, I wonder how Carol lives in her day to day life.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 31st 2022 at 3:05:40 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#145443: Jul 31st 2022 at 3:20:24 AM

It actually makes sense that Venom Peter is one of the strongest Venoms. He's already superpowered, with the Symbiote upgrading said powers even further.

Eddie Brock, the most frequent Venom host otoh, is just a regular human being.

The Web of Shadows game shows how dangerous Peter can really be if he chooses to embrace the power the Symbiote offers in its Evil path.

Edited by M84 on Jul 31st 2022 at 6:24:26 PM

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diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145444: Jul 31st 2022 at 3:34:42 AM

I think, depending on the writer, the symbiote even considers Peter it's favorite host, right?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#145445: Jul 31st 2022 at 3:35:47 AM

It depends, though nowadays it's come to appreciate Eddie Brock.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145446: Jul 31st 2022 at 4:08:51 AM

There's a funny bit in Venom: The End (The End is a series of one-shot detailing a possible final ending for the character), the symbiote outliving Eddie as over the course of 2 trillion years evolved into a Godlike lifeform, infinitely adapting and power-copying to bond with every life living thing in the universe that has ever lived. The latter it did by copying the time travel powers of some Mutants and it has effectively gained the superpower of well everyone including the Omega level Mutants.

It also developed a rating system of combability for its hosts, 5 stars of which every host has been rated 4 stars even its abusive first-host Tel-Kar gaining 4 stars.

There are only 2 people in all of the history of the universe its given different stars. The only 5 star is Eddie himself, the symbiote still dearly missing and pining after him after all this time even after untold eons.

The only 1 star, Peter Parker. The only host in all history to gain a 1 star for combability. Again even Tel-Kar got 4 stars and the symbiote hates Tel cause he was an abusive dick.

So in that case the symbiote loves Eddie above all else, being its one true love while it considers Parker the worst host of all time. [lol]

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#145447: Jul 31st 2022 at 4:25:30 AM

> The only 1 star, Peter Parker.

dang man,he rated them like a hotel

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145448: Jul 31st 2022 at 5:27:39 AM

The lack of heroes with a really raw deal is why I would love a Morlocks series focusing on all the mutants who can't function in society, don't want to, or have nowhere else to go, with Callisto's role being expanded to be the third pillar of mutantkind along with Xavier and Magneto.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145449: Jul 31st 2022 at 5:27:47 AM

[up][up][up] Maybe it just really hates loud noises ringing in his... ears? However symbiotes hear.[lol]

Edited by diddyknux on Jul 31st 2022 at 7:28:33 AM

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#145450: Jul 31st 2022 at 5:35:47 AM

I think it's a Depending on the Writer thing. How much the symbiote appreciates its present host vs. pining for Peter depends on who the story's about. Venom's whole villainous motive is being Peter's jealous ex-bondmate. As a villain, it literally would not be here destroying Peter's life if it didn't want him to take it back. That is the sole reason these two characters ever interact confrontationally.

But when Venom's being an antihero, it doesn't need that element so much. It can have it, to be sure. Can make for some rich drama; We saw that in the Agent Venom series. But if the story isn't about Peter, then it doesn't really need to be about Peter.

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