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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#145251: Jul 27th 2022 at 4:17:46 PM

Every day he trains the tiger to hunt squirrels, because he knows the day is coming.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145252: Jul 27th 2022 at 4:20:06 PM

I knew about the tiger because Doom brought it to his wedding

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#145253: Jul 27th 2022 at 4:22:18 PM

Oh god I forgot about Doom's vulture and tiger[lol].

I think the ideal Doom would be somebody who's able to fully play into all the classic villain tropes while being able to get people to take them seriously at the same time. He should commit to things like ranting about how great he is in the third person from his evil castle and not have it played as a joke.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 27th 2022 at 4:31:30 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145254: Jul 27th 2022 at 5:20:41 PM

Oh yeah, Doom absolutely needs to play up established comic book villain tropes as much as possible with maximum grandiosity, while also being terrifyingly, ruthlessly competent. He may go on lengthy heavy-handed monologues and have a ridiculously over-the-top Uberwaldian aesthetic, but when he makes a move, it's with a purpose and he's already three steps ahead of you.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#145255: Jul 27th 2022 at 5:20:58 PM

RE: VFX Woes:

Jesus, it bites that that's happening to them. Like, why won't someone do something about it already?

RE: Destin Daniel Cretton directing TKD: Wasn't expecting them to announce the director for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty so soon. surprised

But if the plan is to have different directors this time, who'd take on Avengers: Secret Wars? (*manifests Sam Raimi*)

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145256: Jul 27th 2022 at 5:30:14 PM

I'd like it to be Dave Filoni.

Or seeing as though he's being introduced in Quantumania, maybe Peyton Reed? He did do well on his two episodes in The Mandalorian.

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 27th 2022 at 5:31:02 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#145257: Jul 27th 2022 at 5:54:07 PM

[up][up][up] So like his Fantastic Four: The Animated Series interation?

Agreed.

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 27th 2022 at 1:54:41 PM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145258: Jul 27th 2022 at 6:05:22 PM

I forgot how much fun Doom was in those animated shows. Can the MCU even handle that level of bombast?

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 27th 2022 at 9:05:35 AM

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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#145259: Jul 27th 2022 at 6:06:25 PM

Speaking of Draco in Leather pants

In the mcu, there are several villains who "never did anything wrong".

Loki, Thanos, Killmonger, Zemo, and most recently Scarlet Witch and Gorr.

Maybe Dr. Doom will join the squad.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#145260: Jul 27th 2022 at 8:41:56 PM

I love Doom’s mellifluous voice in the video clips.

I have tended to imagine him as having a harsh and grating voice (or sounding like Darth Vader) and being completely cold and humorless.

But I actually think it might be a better fit to have him come off as charming in that way. I’m thinking both of The Phantom of the Opera as a comparator, as well as the fact that Doom is at least partly the Prince Charmless trope.

I also similarly like that this version of Doom has at least a bit of a sense of humor. Not a kind sense of humor. But a sense of humor.

Edit - I also find it funny that in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, Quentin Beck’s Mysterio persona is basically him roleplaying as Doom - a hammy, Wicked Cultured cartoon character.

Edited by Hodor2 on Jul 27th 2022 at 8:47:12 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#145261: Jul 27th 2022 at 9:26:09 PM

What I want from MCU Doom is kind of what I want from MCU MODOK — a hammy Card-Carrying Villain who goes all in on the classic villain tropes...and is no less a genuine threat for it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#145262: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:09:01 PM

Doctor Doom should be played like The Supervillain (tm). I won't accept anything less

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145263: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:28:46 PM

If Doom turns out to be the Earth-based threat, and Kang turns out to be the cosmic-based threat, that would be pretty damn cool.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145264: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:30:26 PM

I would like a subversion of the obligatory "Makes fun of character name" thats prevalent in like every movie.

The heroes make fun of Doom's name, and he proceeds to utterly hand them their ass like children.

"You were saying more? Please continue, Doom would like to hear the rest of it?"

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 27th 2022 at 10:30:37 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#145265: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:31:30 PM

I've also soured on the "hehe let's make fun of superhero conventions like funny names and spandex" thing. You're like a bazillion movies in, just own it by now.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145266: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:33:17 PM

I'm of the opposite opinion. I actually liked it when Strange mocked Black Bolt's name in Multiverse of Madness, since it lines up a lot from when Wolverine called Professor X "Wheels" in the first X-Men movie. I dunno, maybe I just don't care too much for the Seen It All trope, I like it when characters openly lampshade the crazy shit happening in this universe.

I'll admit I was really disappointed when nobody seemed to care that Rocket is a talking raccoon and freak out at the prospect. Because that's what I would've done. I'm basically Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#145267: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:33:27 PM

Honestly, superhero parody is getting old at this point. It feels like there are just as many parodies of superhero movies as there are actual superhero movies. There's no reason to go meta with superhero parody jokes in the MCU, with the exception of Deadpool and apparently, She-Hulk.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 27th 2022 at 10:37:04 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145268: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:35:28 PM

[up][up] I was actually thinking more of when they made fun of Spider-Man's name at the beginning.

Especially when they did the cliché "Does he lays eggs" joke. That joke is fucking tired man. Its always the same shit, its like people can't comprehend the very idea of Spider-Man.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 27th 2022 at 10:35:43 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145269: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:38:09 PM

I got to thinking about it and... yeah, it does happen a lot.

If we can give the name Captain America the "if its done earnestly, it works" treatment, yeah, we can get away with not memeing the heck out of every name.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#145270: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:38:19 PM

Let Doom be serious and not really made fun of. He should be polite, grandiose, and self-aware but not jokey about it. The cartoon scene of him sincerely apologizing to Sue for reducing her to a damsel in distress is a great example. He lampshades the trope, but not in a funny way.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145271: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:39:34 PM

Okay, I'll admit making fun of Spider-Man is stupid because literally everyone knows who he is at this point.

But mocking the likes of Reed Richards and Black Bolt is perfectly okay in my book. In fact, I kinda wish that there was at least one scene in WandaVision where someone lampshaded how weird it was for a woman to fall in love and try to conceive children with a robot.

Like, yes their relationship is genuinely sweet and wholesome, and from their perspective it's a great moment. But c'mon. There's gotta be at least one person who finds that weird. Maybe Yondu would be okay with it, but I certainly don't want to date a robot.

EDIT: Also, I'm of the opinion that Doom's name needs to be mocked. It didn't happen in the last two film series, and I think it's kinda important. I mean...his name is DOOM!

Edited by MatthewWayne on Jul 27th 2022 at 10:40:49 AM

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#145272: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:46:02 PM

I would rather that someone mock him for calling himself Doctor Doom even though he does not have an actual doctorate degree.

Edited by M84 on Jul 28th 2022 at 1:46:26 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145273: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:46:38 PM

Actually now that I think about, the whole forced parody bits did enter my mind during Thor Love and Thunder

Like Jane has a whole running gag where she's trying to come up with a catchphrase cause she's a hero now and everyone's like "Oh yeah you definitely need a catchphrase, thats superhero 101"

Since when, who here has catchphrase? Thor doesn't have a catchphrase I don't remember him shouting "Its hammer time" in previous films. The only character who kinda has one is Steve's "I can do this all day" but I can't think of anyone else who has a catchphrase.

It comes across as trying to parody something that doesn't really exist in the MCU. Its like if everyone started talking about utility belts despite Batman being the only character who has a utility belt so its not some piece of ubiquitous superhero culture.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 27th 2022 at 10:47:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#145274: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:46:53 PM

Count me in as another who's tired of the "haha, your name is stupid/you look stupid" jokes.

You know which recent movies I really enjoyed that never do this kind of jokes? Both of the live action Sonic the Hedgehog films. Everything in these movies are completekridiculous, but no character ever makes the winking-at-the-audience "haha, this is so dumb right" quips. They are incredibly earnest and sincere in their premise, and that's so refreshing to me.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#145275: Jul 27th 2022 at 10:47:37 PM

[up][up][up]That's a much better insult. Making fun of his name is shallow. Making fun of him dropping out of college because he scarred his own face like a moron and blamed it on Reed is cutting.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 27th 2022 at 10:47:54 AM


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