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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#145126: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:32:42 PM

... Well, that's just depressing. I liked her character.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145127: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:34:16 PM

You can still like her character. But you can see why people would balk at giving her the lead role.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145128: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:36:08 PM

Yeah, it's not like she's an Ezra Miller-level nightmare, but she's definitely done a lot to hurt Shuri's appeal.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145129: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:38:30 PM

Yeah. I'm incredibly disappointed with both Wright and Lilly as people, but I still truly enjoy their characters. Not as much as I used to, but I still don't hate them or anything.

Seems like everybody wants to be the one who can say they've honored Chadwick Boseman by making T'challa's death an in-universe point of reverence, resulting in a pile-up.

At this point, I'm starting to feel this is less about honoring Chadwick Boseman and his portrayal of T'Challa, and more that they're feeling sorry that he's dead.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145130: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:51:27 PM

I’d say hold onto the anger until more details are out about the game since it seems like all it has so far are the broadest concepts

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 25th 2022 at 6:51:36 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145131: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:53:34 PM

Its kinda getting to the point where it feels like people are forgetting that at the end of the day Boseman was an actor playing a character..... a 56 year old character at that (Black Panther was created in 1966, a full ten years before Boseman's birth in 1976).

We are associating a fictional character way too strongly with an actor.

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Lost in Space
#145132: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:54:31 PM

You know, folks, Marvel-themed video games are only loosely connected to the MCU and off-topic even for this very broad thread.

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Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#145133: Jul 25th 2022 at 4:20:27 PM

To get back on-topic, I thought Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars were actually fake logos, that clickbait YouTubers used to get that green paper. Phase 5 is looking superior than Phase 4 in every way possible and this is very pleasing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145134: Jul 25th 2022 at 6:12:48 PM

Okay one last thing about the BP vide-game, I just wanna mention how needlessly vague the announcement is.

I found this one comment that perfectly sums it up

I’m just confused on why this is even something that needs to questioned. Even at the earliest possible stage of development for a BLACK PANTHER game, you’d think that it would be clear as day T’Challa is the lead. Why such vague terminology like “the player” lol. This is like a Spider-Man game in development saying “the player will take on the role of a young man bitten by a radioactive spider fighting crime in NY”, it’s a bizarre way to frame things. Just say Peter, unless the idea is to adapt the concept behind Peter and apply it to someone else. Or a more apt comparison would be “the player takes on the role of a young Harlem kid who gets taken under the wing of Spider-Man and builds their own heroic legacy”. That’s a really convoluted way of just saying Miles lol.

And they confirmed it’s not a character creation so it seems like if the rumor is true, they’re developing a blank slate OC with a set story that players customize. Unless they’re not saying who the actual character is to not spoil the movies. Why do that rather than just telling a story about young T’Challa?

The whole thing is weird, it’s so weird that I have a hard time believing it’s that complicated so the story is really just about T’Challa lol. Because theoretically speaking, T’Challa can be customizable in-game and the story beats do match up with his comic origins.

Its like announcing a Spider-Man game but being needlessly coy about who's under the mask. Hell they announced a Wolverine game a year back and they didn't beat around the bush over who "Wolverine" is.

Its just weird all around.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#145135: Jul 25th 2022 at 6:53:32 PM

Per the description -coming from toys- of Namor, he is not the ruler of Atlantis, but of Talocan.

In nahua mythology, T Lalocan is the domain of water and rain god Tlaloc.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145136: Jul 25th 2022 at 6:54:31 PM

[up][up] He's going to take off his mask and turn out to be Captain America, for some reason.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#145137: Jul 26th 2022 at 2:51:32 AM

[up][up]... That's actually a nice way to make him distinct from Aquaman.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145138: Jul 26th 2022 at 2:57:44 AM

Okay so they are going with the God connection.

This is actually better cause originally I heard they were connecting him to like an Aztec cat God which didn't really make sense for a water guy.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#145139: Jul 26th 2022 at 3:21:16 AM

Okay I'm on board with Namor being this figure from Wakandan mythology revealed to be a flesh and blood asshole.

I'm still confused by Wakanda suddenly having a tidal coastline, I thought the country was land locked and boarded lake Turkana.

Regarding Kang dynasty, I wouldn't mind it as a film if they keep the scope of participating characters small. I really didn't appreciate Infinity War trying to juggle the Avengers, The Guardians, Spider-man, Black Panther and Doctor Strange.

If it's called Avengers: Kang Dynasty I'll enjoy it if it's a story about the avengers going up against Kang.

And to be fair, the characters who are tied to the timelines plot are on the most part primed to become avengers; Ant-Man and Stephan Strange. Not to mention there is remit for new!Loki to be reunited with Thor.

So I kind of expect it to be

Stephan Strange, Scott Lang, Professor Hulk, Capt Marvel, Thor (with new!Loki) and Sam Wilson as the Avengers. (Though I'd expect Rhody to still be around depending on how Armour Wars ends)

Secret Wars can just be everyone, you can't do that title without having most of your entire setting turning up. I might sit that film out.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#145140: Jul 26th 2022 at 5:55:05 AM

I feel like that earthquake near Africa that Okoye spoke of in Endgame had something to do with there suddenly being an ocean kingdom nearby.

The legend has returned.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145141: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:08:11 AM

Yes, New Rockstars speculated in their breakdown video that the undersea earthquake that Okoye mentioned out of nowhere in Endgame foreshadowed the conflict in this film.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145142: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:12:05 AM

Ironic in that Namor was foreshadowed as a threat when T'Challa was dead, and only becomes prominent when he dies again.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145143: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:14:24 AM

To be clear, we don't know that Namor is the villain here. The trailer is very cagey about showing him personally attacking Wakanda. It's fairly obvious that there will be some conflict with him, but he may not be the actual Big Bad.

The Endgame thing was so odd when it was first said that everyone immediately started speculating, knowing full well that Kevin Feige slavishly obeys the Law of Conservation of Detail.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145144: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:19:03 AM

Namor may not be the Big Bad, but he's definitely going to be some kind of antagonistic force for at least part of the film.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145145: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:19:36 AM

Oh, yes, obviously. I just think we'll find out that someone else is pulling the strings of that conflict.

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145147: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:26:35 AM

Well given leaks about who's in it it's likely to be Doom, weird that two characters mostly associated with the FF are hitting the MCU before them. (in the main verse at least)

filmstarscarlet from USA Since: Jul, 2022
#145148: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:28:46 AM

I think the underwater earthquakes from Endgame were confirmed by Markus & Mc Feely to just be earthquakes. Which makes sense, as that's also their purpose in the scene with Natasha asking about it and Okoye saying "it's just an earthquake under the ocean. we handle it by not handling it."

Though, so many people seem to think it was a Namor reference and since Namor is coming anyway, those earthquakes can kind of be sideways retconned to be rumblings of Atlantis.

Edited by filmstarscarlet on Jul 26th 2022 at 9:29:16 AM

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#145149: Jul 26th 2022 at 7:00:00 AM

I wonder if they will make Namor a completely unlikeable dickbag like he is in the comic.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145150: Jul 26th 2022 at 7:01:55 AM

Also, there was a storyline where T’Challa was out of the picture and Shuri was Black Panther that concerned a conflict between Wakanda and Atlantis where really Doom was pulling the strings

Of course the MCU doesn’t always follow things beat for beat but that’s one storyline where Wakanda Forever might be drawing inspiration

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