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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145101: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:12:05 AM

I'm not sure. Right now that Marvel is being a bit ambitious and setting up two distinct things at the same time: they've got a big cosmic thing being set up regarding Kang, and they've got a big covert/spy thing being set up with Contessa.

Beyonder Secret Wars is a cosmic story, so I totally see it being linked to Kang if they do that. Latveria Secret Wars is a covert story, so I'd imagine it being linked to whatever's going on with Contessa.

With how soon the two Avengers films are coming out after one another, we could be seeing a Part 1 / Part 2 thing a la Infinity War, or we could be seeing the two stories each having their own big, but linked, conclusion.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 25th 2022 at 11:13:48 AM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145102: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:13:43 AM

IIRC it's Secret Wars (plural) for the beyonder stuff and Secret War (singular) for the Latveria event.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#145103: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:22:29 AM

The big thing about the Beyonder Secret Wars is that it's a bunch of Earth's heroes and villains being scooped up and made to fight each other. For that setup to work, you need to have a lot of both heroes and villains still extant on Earth for the Beyonder to take. That's something of a problem for the MCU, as they tend to kill off their villains.

So I could see the coming phases introducing a bunch of villains as ongoing threats, solely to bolster the villain side come Secret Wars.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145104: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:36:08 AM

"Secret Invasion", "Secret War", "Secret Wars"... someone at Marvel needs to get more creative at naming big events.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#145105: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:39:18 AM

Marvel has outright reused Event names more than a few times in recent memory. Then again, DC abuses the word "Crisis", so...

Edited by Blueace on Jul 25th 2022 at 2:40:40 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145106: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:40:58 AM

[up][up][up] They could cheat with the multiverse stuff. If they tie the Beyonder with Kang, then they could have heroes they never used just jump in from other timelines, or villains they got rid of come back from timelines where they didn't die, etc.

I wouldn't really like that - it's kind of a cop out, imo - but its believably something they could end up doing.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 25th 2022 at 11:41:34 AM

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145107: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:41:14 AM

According to Linkara's review on the original Secret Wars event, the name came about because of focus grouping that suggested that the words "Secret" and "Wars" enticed interest and sales.[lol]

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145108: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:43:39 AM

Secret Invasion? More like the "Damn Obvious Assault".

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Lost in Space
#145109: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:53:19 AM

Now I want to see "Damned Obvious Assault", just to poke the eyes of the overly serious names a lot of storylines get.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145110: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:57:54 AM

@Known Unknown: Knull coming after Gorr would work just fine - Gorr was his best champion and took out a bunch of threats to his return, and the destruction of the Necrosword means that a piece of him has been obliterated, which he felt. At this point, he's seen enough to know that he has to personally step in to return everything to oblivion.

That, or Knull could be written around as an unnamed aspect of Amatsu-Mikaboshi/Oblivion.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Jul 25th 2022 at 11:58:53 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145111: Jul 25th 2022 at 12:01:19 PM

[up][up] That should be the subtitle for Deadpool 3.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#145112: Jul 25th 2022 at 12:49:13 PM

Also, it's a little weird to introduce Knull after Gorr, but I guess they could make that work.

That's how it happened in the comic though^^ in the comic Knull wasn't properly introduced until long after Gorr was defeated.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#145113: Jul 25th 2022 at 12:51:09 PM

A little late, but there is a somewhat original take they can do with black suit Spidey. Have Peter make peace with Venom. Instead of forcibly splitting apart, have them mutually decide to stick with each other.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145114: Jul 25th 2022 at 1:11:58 PM

I’d rather they do Knull with the Venom series because it was his story and because I don’t know where else the sorting algorithm of ooze danger could go for a movie three

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#145115: Jul 25th 2022 at 1:48:21 PM

I expect Thunderbolts to be the Crisis Crossover for Peak Human-type superheroes, and Secret Invasion/Multiverse shenaigans for those with access to more mystical powers.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145116: Jul 25th 2022 at 2:14:48 PM

Okay I just read the reveal of the new BP game.

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?! We don't even know if T'Challa is the confirmed main character?

Jesus Christ Marvel this is some bullshit. When Heath Ledger died its not like DC decided to stop using Joker.

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#145117: Jul 25th 2022 at 2:17:38 PM

Yeah at this point it's getting a bit frustrating. Could they pick something about it already?

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145118: Jul 25th 2022 at 2:47:53 PM

Kasper Cole? Better him than Shuri with Letitia Wright poisoning that well.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145119: Jul 25th 2022 at 2:52:30 PM

The "new young Black Panther" better just be a young T'Challa taking over his father's death.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145120: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:00:45 PM

I honestly would like to see Cole take after T'Challa on his own, then earn the respect of Wakanda once they notice him and become the Panther at the end.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#145121: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:17:16 PM

Seems like everybody wants to be the one who can say they've honored Chadwick Boseman by making T'challa's death an in-universe point of reverence, resulting in a pile-up.

"I'm paying tribute to Boseman!" "No, I'm paying tribute Boseman!"

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#145122: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:24:29 PM

Better him than Shuri with Letitia Wright poisoning that well.

... I must be missing something. What happened?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145123: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:27:18 PM

She’s an anti-vaxxer

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#145124: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:29:23 PM

[up][up]Anti-vaxxer doing the whole "I did my R E S E A R C H" thing, and apparently also absolutely sucks to work with and said a bunch of dumb ass shit on set for Wakanda Forever and generally was a pain in the ass.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Jul 25th 2022 at 3:29:34 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#145125: Jul 25th 2022 at 3:29:56 PM

She actually delayed production of the movie because she refused to get vaccinated

She only relented when the studio offered her a huge bonus

She's a pain in the ass actor

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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