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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#145076: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:40:14 AM

[up][up][up] Wasn’t that called No Way Home?

Edited by Bocaj on Jul 25th 2022 at 12:40:37 PM

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Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#145077: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:40:54 AM

I liked No Way Home enough, but it was arguably the mayo version of Spider-Verse. tongue (It did not however have Miles and Peter meet through the multiverse, which was Fighteer's pitch.)

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 25th 2022 at 11:41:34 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145078: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:43:38 AM

If the MCU is still doing things with Spider-Man, I'd really like for him to get the black suit and fight the Kingpin in it before having to deal with his own version of Venom.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145079: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:43:59 AM

Oh, I agree that too much Spider-Man is... Well, too much. I'm just thinking, on the corporate side, those conversations must take place.

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#145080: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:44:43 AM

An open world Black Panther game has been revealed by game journalist Jeff Grub of Giant Bomb. The pitch follows the player taking on the Black Panther mantle after a previous holder had fallen. It's currently unknown how T'Challa factors into this scenario, but the game is being produced by Electronic Arts.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145081: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:45:00 AM

What I'm saying is that I would really like to get some new stories, not keep rehashing ones that have already been done on screen, in some cases multiple times.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 25th 2022 at 12:45:21 PM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145082: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:45:37 AM

I swear, if every incarnation of T'Challa gets killed off just to keep MCU brand synergy...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#145083: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:46:48 AM

Tom Holland's signed up for three more solo movies with Sony at least, presumably MCU set. Though they did a soft reset in NWY they could take it where ever and minimise connections with the rest of the MCU.

I don't know if any Marvel Studios MCU movies will feature him though. I imagine they'd loved to though. Spidey pulls in the bucks after all.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145084: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:49:15 AM

Homecoming did at least allude to Mile Morales existing in this universe.

But I agree, I don't want to see him rushed in their for the recent popularity, it's gotta feel right.

Edited by diddyknux on Jul 25th 2022 at 11:49:54 AM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145085: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:56:15 AM

[up][up] I've read that Holland's new contract allows for at least one ensemble appearance. Where they could stick him in is anyone's guess.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#145086: Jul 25th 2022 at 9:59:18 AM

The Marvel movie announcements summed up. Really anticipating Fourth Remake’s The Charm and Important Movie 2: The Sequel. [lol]

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145087: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:02:21 AM

As far as I'm concerned, Tom Holland can continue to play Spider-Man as long as he wants to because he's great in the role. My problem is with the character in general, and it's more of a personal gripe: I don't enjoy stories in which the main character is constantly the Butt-Monkey of the universe and is unable to achieve any meaningful success or personal growth.

Obviously, you need conflict for a good story. That's not the issue. It's just that with Spider-Man in general, and his film appearances specifically, the writers seem to want to eternally Yank the Dog's Chain for maximum pathos, and I... don't enjoy that.

It's sort of the opposite of Kamala Khan's theme. She gets to have a happy home life, loyal friends, and loving (alive) parents. Peter would be seething with jealousy over it if he weren't so self-sacrificing.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 25th 2022 at 1:03:05 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#145088: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:21:32 AM

That's true. Spider-Man could use a My Hero Academia-esqe deconstruction of the idea that carrying burdens on one's own and being willing to self-sacrifice aren't actually always good things.

"With great power comes great responsibility... But also, practice some fucking self-care, Peter."

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145089: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:28:20 AM

Practicing self-care will be pretty important if the angry black sludge comes for him...

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145090: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:29:35 AM

Since Venom is now in the MCU and is already attached to Eddie Brock, why would it go for Peter Parker? That seems weird.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#145091: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:32:44 AM

The Venom with Eddie got send back to his own universe. He just left a bit of his goo behind.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 25th 2022 at 7:33:09 PM

EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
#145092: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:33:47 AM

Eddie got sent back to the Sony universe [nja], but the implication is that there's some kind of weird multiversal symbiote hive mind, so the piece of Venom left behind in the MCU would presumably go after Peter as revenge for the death of its Raimi counterpart.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Jul 25th 2022 at 1:33:55 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145093: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:36:30 AM

[up][up][up] Y'know, I'd prefer it if the symbiote went after somebody else like Kamala, Kate Bishop, Bruno, Thor, Shuri or the like, but it's Sony. They want their bad guys to face Spider-Man, and no one else.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145094: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:44:16 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot that Eddie got yoinked back to Sony-verse. So why not, let's redo Spider-Man 3 and show everyone that we're totally out of original ideas. At least Green Goblin and Sandman can't come back... hopefully... unless Freshman Year pulls off some shenanigans.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 25th 2022 at 1:45:56 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#145095: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:46:11 AM

There is also quite a few fans really eager for a proper adaptation of the black suit arc. And after No way Home kinda went through most of Peters bigest villains, Venom is kinda the only real heavy hitter left for the next trilogy.

At least as long as Sony stays determened to go throgh with that "Kraven, friend of the animals" pitch.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 25th 2022 at 7:47:49 PM

Synchronicity (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#145096: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:48:10 AM

"hopefully they'll do it right this time" is how we got Dark Phoenix. I'd prefer they just do something else.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#145097: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:53:00 AM

Yeah, that's the issue with these "hero peetering towards the dark side" stories: the people in charge want to jump straight to "the hero is now bad, we gotta stop him" instead of building a proper setup for them to become that. It's why Dark Phoenix sucked.

Marvel's done this a little better with Wanda, but even then they rushed her straight into villainy with barely a hint that's where she would go to in Multiverse of Madness.

"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#145098: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:58:31 AM

After watching Love and Thunder, I got to thinking how cool it would be if instead of setting up for Venom, the symbiote staying in the MCU instead turned out to be setup for Knull.

That said, if Secret Wars is legit happening, and it's the Beyonder Secret Wars and not the Latveria Secret Wars, then black suit Spider-Man will probably be a thing.

However, it might be a toss up there. With the pieces they have on the board right now, I could totally see them doing either the Beyonder Secret War or the Latveria Secret War - whichever, really.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 25th 2022 at 11:00:29 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#145099: Jul 25th 2022 at 10:59:31 AM

That would be sweet, but I don't think Marvel owns that IP right now. Also, it's a little weird to introduce Knull after Gorr, but I guess they could make that work.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 25th 2022 at 1:59:50 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#145100: Jul 25th 2022 at 11:07:19 AM

Wichever Secret Wars they will go for, the roles of the Beyonder or Doom will probably be given to Kang instead. There is no way they will spend all this time building him up only to have him be defeated in part one of the next Avengers duology and have someone else suddenly just take over as big villain for the finale.


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