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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It feels like the story might get a bit crowded if they do that, though. Ant-Man and the Wasp had two antagonists (three if you count the feds); that's a statistic that doesn't necessarily improve by adding more each film. (*cough* Sony and Spider-Man)
Think from the perspective of general audiences who don't know much about MODOK. If the heroes are chasing Kang through the Quantum Realm, are they going to be interested in seeing a wacky Brain in a Jar dude hunting them For Science! in the real world, or whatever?
It would make more sense for MODOK, along with Bill Murray's character (presumably), to be part of an ensemble of weirdos trapped in the Quantum Realm.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 8:55:06 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Think from the perspective of general audiences who don't know much about MODOK. If the heroes are chasing Kang through the Quantum Realm, are they going to be interested in seeing a wacky Brain in a Jar dude hunting them For Science! in the real world, or whatever?
I mean, they're already doing that. We can't really speculate about whether they're going to have Scott fight MODOK, because they've revealed that's what they intend to have him do.
Really? It seems rather obvious simply for the fact that MODOK is there. MODOK doesn't really do anything without them, and I can't really think of any reason he would be in the film except for a big setpiece of Scott robbing AIM or something.
I'd be like throwing Dr. Doom into a story, but deciding mentioning Latveria at all is too much.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 5:59:41 AM
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Right, but does he need to bring an entire evil organization into it? (Caveat: I don't really know much about AIM.) If he's trapped in the Quantum Realm, I doubt he'd have a private army along with him, but who knows what's in there, besides some of my lost socks.
I guess you could justify finding just about anything if you turn the wackiness up enough, and let's face it, MODOK is a pretty wacky villain.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 9:00:38 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I think you're thinking of this as "MODOK appears, and then also AIM appears as a separate threat," which makes sense if you're not too familiar with the character. But they're not really separate things.
MODOK is basically just the leader of AIM, who also has freaky horrifying mad science powers. Like if you had heroes fight an expy of Al Capone, by proxy they're also fighting the Mafia.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:02:38 AM
MODOK, as far as I know, basically never appears outside of the context of AIM. If you're adapting him, AIM is showing up in some capacity because it's part of his basic concept.
AIM, however, has far more content without MODOK than the other way around because AIM has characters and concepts that don't necessarily involve MODOK himself: Monica Rappaccini, other Scientist Supremes, etc.
So if they said AIM was showing up in X movie, it'd make sense if it didn't necessarily involve MODOK (I'd be down for a movie with Monica Rappaccini as Big Bad). But saying MODOK is going to be in X movie, it stands far more to reason that he's coming along with AIM than to assume that they would avoid it for some reason.
I'm a little surprised at the pushback, tbh. Do people not like AIM or something? It's not like heroes setpiecing against an evil organization in a story that otherwise has nothing to do with that organization has ever in any way been an issue for the MCU. They do it all the time.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:12:24 AM
"They could change it if they want to" doesn't really fly for a reason it's farfetched that they wouldn't. The MCU doesn't typically change things for no reason but they can.
Saying "they changed Zemo to not be HYDRA, so obviously they're not going to adapt X character's organization" would be as weird as me saying "they adapted Hammer Industries along with Justin Hammer, so clearly they are going to adapt X organization."
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:18:44 AM
Chalk me up for another round of, "The writers can do what they want; they aren't chained to comic book canon." But I'm less concerned about that and more about how MODOK manages to squirrel away an entire evil organization in the Quantum Realm, since I assume our heroes will find him there and we have it on good authority that it will be the focus of the film.
I also predict that the local variant of Kang will be defeated in such a way that he can easily wait around for another couple years to pop up again in the next Avengers movie.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 9:18:46 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I really have to ask again, where is this certainty that the writers don't want to adapt AIM coming from again? I am, again, baffled at the pushback.
Like, you guys do know there's a difference between "the writers don't have to adapt this" and "the writers aren't going to adapt this," right?
Again, the MCU typically doesn't just change things for no reason but they can. Hell, if we look at their past work and Feige's WOG on the issue, we know that they do have an interest in bringing the characters from comic to screen relatively accurately if possible.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:20:50 AM
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And again, I'm not concerned about whether it's comic canon but whether it makes sense to the story, and I don't know where AIM could fit into the plot. Now, this obviously brings up the question, "Why would MODOK appear," and that's valid, but then we have to come to the conclusion that he's not going to be associated with AIM.
Of course, we're basing an awful lot of arguing on something that doesn't have a trailer or any story reveals.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 9:21:58 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"![]()
Mostly because you haven't said how yet.
I did say this, though:
I mean... okay? Nobody's attacking your ambivalence.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:24:13 AM
"that's a statistic that doesn't necessarily improve by adding more each film. (*cough* Sony and Spider-Man)"
As has been said before, the problem with Spider-man 3 is not that it had too many villains, it's that it had too many main villains.
Raimi felt the need for each villain to have their own feud with Peter.
Right, but again we already know they're adding MODOK, so that's a moot point. Again, AIM and MODOK aren't aren't really separate villains: the inclusion of AIM doesn't really do anything regarding villain count that just adding MODOK does. In MODOK stories, AIM is basiaclly just MODOK's mooks with stupid outfits.
Like, compare Batroc in Winter Soldier. It's not like we added every single pirate in his organization to the villain count of the movie.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 6:24:59 AM

Why not? Nothing's stopping them from bringing AIM back.
In fact, even given that we haven't heard anything about it, I'd be shocked if just MODOK shows up in Ant-Man and not AIM. The guy is kind of difficult to separate from it.