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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144976: Jul 24th 2022 at 12:29:53 PM

I'm a little disappointed that MODOK was put into Ant-Man of all movies, especially since it seems to be more of a bit role, but whatever. At least he's in the franchise, I guess.

SAwatching from south africa Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144977: Jul 24th 2022 at 12:41:48 PM

In what moive should MODOK be put in?

Edited by SAwatching on Jul 24th 2022 at 9:42:04 PM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144978: Jul 24th 2022 at 12:44:45 PM

If they ever adapt Gwenpool, they could also include MODOK as he was the villain of her first arc. They could also subvert the usual MCU trend of "heroes mock villain for having a doofy name". Gwenpool does much the same thing in her comic when first seeing MODOK, dismissing him as a silly C-lister... only for him to fry her friend to a crisp, because goofy doesn't mean harmless.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 24th 2022 at 12:45:51 PM

DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#144979: Jul 24th 2022 at 12:51:03 PM

According to what I read in the character sheet, Chthon was responsible for the existence of vampires, I wonder if any of that will be mentioned in Blade.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144980: Jul 24th 2022 at 12:52:04 PM

[up][up]Well, if rumors are to be believed, this MODOK is actually Darren Cross deformed by his defeat in the first movie and now working for Kang in the Microverse. If that ends up being true, then that leaves room for an actual version of George Tarleton somewhere down the line.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 24th 2022 at 12:52:14 PM

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144981: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:12:44 PM

I'm a little disappointed that MODOK was put into Ant-Man of all movies, especially since it seems to be more of a bit role, but whatever. At least he's in the franchise, I guess.

It's the best place for him. Stark is dead and it's not like Hulk will be getting a solo film any time soon.

Where else would MODOK show up?

[up]

I wouldn't get your hopes up. Besides, MODOK's civilian identity doesn't matter much.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 24th 2022 at 4:17:18 AM

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#144982: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:23:09 PM

I actually think Modok is perfect for Antman a goofy villain for a goofy hero

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
Diana1969 Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#144984: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:50:19 PM

Am I allowed to have a platonic crush on Iman Vellani? The actor is 19 now, so I think it's okay.

That's...very creepy to ask, not gonna lie.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#144985: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:53:12 PM

Yeah, that's kinda weird, man.

Crushing on an actor/actress is kinda creepy to begin with, Jailbait Wait only makes it worse.

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144986: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:54:32 PM

Okay, I somehow missed that post, what the heck man?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144987: Jul 24th 2022 at 1:59:57 PM

It's the best place for him. Stark is dead and it's not like Hulk will be getting a solo film any time soon.

Where else would MODOK show up?

Ironheart and Armor Wars are the most obvious ones, seeing as we know they're upcoming, but being a mad science villain whose whole thing is running a super-science cult the best places for him are against science heroes and characters that can explore what he actually brings to the table. Heck, given the way the MCU has propped him up as "Tony Stark 2.0," even Spider-Man would be a better choice.

The idea that it's the "best place" for him is just kind of bizarre. I can't think of many reasons why MODOK would work so well as an enemy for Scott, specifically, that it's the best place in the MCU for him. Ultimately, the push for MODOK to be in Ant-Man just comes off as being predicated on memes, imo.

Scott uses mad science, but he's a thief first and foremost and his previous movies have all been reflections of that: heists and comedy crime stories. Both Kang and MODOK are rather baffling picks for that genre. It feels a lot like more of what Marvel has been doing a lot of recently: using characters as vehicles to throw stuff into the universe vs continuing to work with what the characters do.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 24th 2022 at 2:06:43 AM

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#144988: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:00:46 PM

Poor phrasing, perhaps. I'm not in love with her, but I find her utterly charming as an actor and want to see more of her in the MCU. That's it.

As for MODOK, I've only seen him once or twice in cartoons and in a couple of issues of Gwenpool. He sounds like a fun, if silly villain.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 5:01:53 AM

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DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#144989: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:01:10 PM

Honestly, being the secondary villain doesn't strike me as the horrible fate that many may believe.

Modok could do well, even if he's just a secondary villain.

In other words, Zola and Nebula seem to me to have played a good role, despite originally being secondary villains.

Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Jul 24th 2022 at 2:02:28 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#144990: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:05:13 PM

Oh wow, they're doing MCU Blade. Never thought I'd see the day. Any signs of Ghost Rider yet?

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144991: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:06:43 PM

Now that Armor Wars got mentioned, I just noticed that we didnt actually get a date announced for it, or even any mention at all on Comic Con.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144992: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:08:55 PM

Damn. You're right.

What happened?

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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144993: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:11:42 PM

Head writer Yassir Lester has apparently confirmed that its still happening at least.https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1551234430529830913?cxt=HHwWgoCwsd3fi4crAAAA

So probably not earlier as Phase 6.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 24th 2022 at 11:14:27 AM

DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#144994: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:31:18 PM

Who do you think is the hero or villain who suffers from the Worf Effect, to demonstrate how powerful Kang is?

One possibility I think of is that Scarlet Witch is easily defeated, so she allows herself to be possessed by Chthon for a chance to win.

Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Jul 24th 2022 at 2:36:32 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144995: Jul 24th 2022 at 2:32:48 PM

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But MCU MODOK wouldn't have the science cult because they used AIM in Iron Man 2.

Honestly, being the secondary villain doesn't strike me as the horrible fate that many may believe.

It's his usual lot in most of his appearances outside of comics too.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 24th 2022 at 5:33:57 AM

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Lost in Space
#144997: Jul 24th 2022 at 4:03:22 PM

So it occurred to someone looking at the MCU lineup, and I'm embarrassed to note that I didn't see this myself at first, that Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars are lined up back-to-back in a suspiciously similar manner to Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame.

This means that some characters are gonna die. Insert grimace emoji.

I'm also coming from a place of not knowing the exact details of how these arcs work out in the comics, but the implication is that beating Kang unleashes some even worse shit on the Multiverse.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 7:04:11 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#144998: Jul 24th 2022 at 4:15:59 PM

The problem with the kind of escalation Kang offers is that I still think multiverse stuff kinda exceeds what the human brain is capable of comprehending properly. It's so far beyond our frame of reference.

Like, Thanos wiped out half the universe. Let's say Kang wipes out half the Multiverse (I know that's not his plan, but for the sake of argument), one is infinitely more grand than the other, but I don't think one resonates more on an emotional level than the other does. There's a limit to how much the human mind can care and you reach the point of diminishing returns eventually if you keep escalating. Blowing up a solar system doesn't feel that much more serious than blowing up a planet.

At least, that's the issue I'm running into in my own mind.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 24th 2022 at 11:16:58 AM

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HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144999: Jul 24th 2022 at 4:50:03 PM

Kang's not the type to destroy a bunch of timelines, just conquer them. His motivation has historically been boredom, and multiversal destruction would be out of character for him because it would leave him with nothing to do. To make Kang terrifying, the best way would be to make it personal - Thanos was just ruthlessly pragmatic, while Kang can and will deliberately pull a Professor Zoom and fuck with very specific aspects of your timeline just to hurt you if you piss him off.

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Lost in Space
#145000: Jul 24th 2022 at 4:50:17 PM

[up][up]Oh, agreed. In Infinity War and Endgame the loss of half of the universe's population was felt mainly in the main characters that we were missing. That was the point. A Million Is a Statistic, but when we watch Steve Rogers sifting the ash that used to be Bucky Barnes through his fingers and asking, "Did we lose," that hits a million times harder. When the remaining Avengers spend the next half-hour of screentime in a world that has just been horrifically depopulated, we despair along with them.

Evil plots are a dime a dozen; I found a handful of them while I was weeding my garden the other day. Writing this sort of story should never be about the plot itself so much as its effect on the characters that we have come to know and love. This is why we had two and a half movies to see Steve and Bucky's relationship develop: so the latter's death could mean something. Incidentally, this is a writing trick that the DCEU has yet to learn.

Putting these two ensemble films at the end of a very long arc of character-driven stories is meant to capitalize on the fact that we're emotionally invested in all the people we're going to see get brutalized by Kang. And this is, in a nutshell, good writing.

Edited by Fighteer on Jul 24th 2022 at 8:19:28 AM

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